Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** - Page 64

**BigRedChief** · 05:00 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Maybe Dewitt can buy a small island with the amount of available cash he will pocket this upcoming season. But to be fair I will give them the benefit of the doubt unless they start to suck.

They have never appeared cheap since Dewitt tool over. They could have spent more money on a bench last year and could be more aggressive in the Latin market. But overall they have kept payroll around the #10 spot in MLB. If they maintain that level of payroll, thats close enough that we should remain competitive.

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They have never appeared cheap since Dewitt tool over. They could have spent more money on a bench last year and could be more aggressive in the Latin market. But overall they have kept payroll around the #10 spot in MLB. If they maintain that level of payroll, thats close enough that we should remain competitive.

I honestly think they should put their effort into an impact 1st baseman. Even if that means not doing anything this offseason and waiting until the trade deadline next year. I don't think I can handle many more years of a Moss/Adams combo.

KChiefs1 · 12-11-2015, 03:48 PM

Would you guys actually sign Cueto?

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Would you guys actually sign Cueto?

Ya I'd have no problem with Cueto. Players nowadays are basically mercenaries anyways.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2015, 03:50 PM

The #Nats and #STLCards offered larger overall contract for Heyward, neither appeared to eclipse #Cubs annual average salary of $23 million.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 11, 2015

Before everyone gets wrapped up in "Heyward took less money!" 1) the opt-outs are worth millions + 2) IL state taxes are lower than DC/MO
— keithlaw (@keithlaw) December 11, 2015

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 03:51 PM

Another reason to hate taxes lol.

O.city · 12-11-2015, 03:53 PM

Chris davis and Justin upton, ftw

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 03:54 PM

Honestly I'd just roll with Holliday Grichuk Piscotty in the outfield.

ChiefsCountry · 12-11-2015, 03:55 PM

Illinois has cheaper taxes than Missouri? That seems strange, my clients don't seem to think so.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2015, 03:57 PM

Derrick Goold is supposedly saying the Cardinals offered $200 million/10 years. Opt-out later than the Cubs. And had deferred money. But, I'm not seeing that on his twitter feed. Maybe from local STL radio?

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Another reason to hate taxes lol.

I think thats BS. If its about taxes just come to Florida with no, zero state taxes.

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 03:59 PM

Well ya the opt out is more valuable because the market will only increase 3 years from now and Heyward is betting on himself.

jd1020 · 12-11-2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Well ya the opt out is more valuable because the market will only increase 3 years from now and Heyward is betting on himself.

He'll be competing with Bryce Harper on the market if he opts out after the 2018 season.

kcpasco · 12-11-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

He'll be competing with Bryce Harper on the market if he opts out after the 2018 season.

Harper will set the market and if Heyward is playing well then 24 million a year won't be enough.

Sure-Oz · 12-11-2015, 04:37 PM

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2789627 VARSITY	The #Nats and #STLCards offered larger overall contract for Heyward, neither appeared to eclipse #Cubs annual average salary of $23 million. — Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 11, 2015 Before everyone gets wrapped up in "Heyward took less money!" 1) the opt-outs are worth millions + 2) IL state taxes are lower than DC/MO — keithlaw (@keithlaw) December 11, 2015 __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2789627 VARSITY	Derrick Goold is supposedly saying the Cardinals offered $200 million/10 years. Opt-out later than the Cubs. And had deferred money. But, I'm not seeing that on his twitter feed. Maybe from local STL radio? __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7623463	Well ya the opt out is more valuable because the market will only increase 3 years from now and Heyward is betting on himself.
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