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Old 10-17-2017, 08:54 PM  
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NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate
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NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate

By Karoun Demirjian and Beth Reinhard
The Washington Post
October 16



The National Football League, still in political crosshairs over whether players should take a knee during the national anthem, is throwing its weight behind another cause in Washington’s debate over racial inequality: criminal justice reform.

The NFL’s spokesman said on Monday that the league has decided to endorse a bipartisan bill to reduce mandatory minimum sentences for low-level drug offenders, eliminate “three-strike” provisions that require life sentences and give judges more latitude to reduce sentences for certain low-level crimes.

“We felt that this was an issue over the last months, as we have continued to work with our players on issues of equality and on issues of criminal justice reform, that was surfaced for us, and we thought it was appropriate to lend our support to it,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said Monday during a conference call with reporters.

The owners appear to be seeking middle ground between football players and their critics during a heated national debate over the growing phenomenon of players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality. It is not clear what effect the NFL’s effort will have on that debate — or on President Trump, who has fueled much of the vitriol against kneeling players through his personal and official Twitter accounts.

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So, hoping to curry favor with the players who are kneeling, the NFL is endorsing a piece of soft-on-crime legislation. The optics of that are amusing.

Goodell's winking and nodding at the kneeling players will probably just encourage them to take it further, not make them respect the country again. The NFL will not be better off for bowing to them. Look at Mizzou.

The NFL doesn't seem to understand what's happening here at all. Fans do not want the NFL to be political. Fans are not going to be amused by Roger Goodell wading into politics. ESPN has already made this mistake by becoming another politicized media outlet... it's fascinating that Goodell thinks the way to resolve the fan ire over this conflict is to make the NFL more political.
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Old 10-18-2017, 07:59 AM   #76
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Just jail everybody then. I suppose you're in favor of no probation? Everybody has to serve their full sentence? Where exactly do you draw the line at jail, no jail.
I'm fine with probation (with an an explosive collar).

The line(s) was drawn with "three strikes", right? After the third the point of a line becomes rather moot. It's like moving goal posts...

Think of it like a cliff, the first strike/line is the fence 20 feet from the edge. The second strike/line is ten feet from the edge, and the third strike/line is at the edge. So if somebody makes the choice to step over the third line, well.....



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So it's working; we're getting bad people off the streets... Woot!
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Goodell's winking and nodding at the kneeling players will probably just encourage them to take it further, not make them respect the country again.
The NFL cannot "Make" anyone respect the country. Respect doesn't work like that. If your desire is for forced respect, you're going to end up disappointed.
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It's not just the 'Doing the time', that's a small part of it. Our criminal just system is screwed from beginning to end, outside to inside.
Every aspect of it is ****ed.
I would suggest trying to stay out of the criminal justice system then.

Just a crazy idea that sprang to mind.
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The NFL cannot "Make" anyone respect the country. Respect doesn't work like that. If your desire is for forced respect, you're going to end up disappointed.
That's true.

How much you wanna bet the fans can make the NFL show respect for the flag?

People forget that the NFL NEEDS the fans more than vice versa.

Sure we hard core fans are almost always going to watch but the fall in ratings and the pissed off people burning season tickets resonates louder than the guys kneeling and refusing to even discuss their reasons.

Kap refused to vote for ****s sake.

The whole narrative is bullshit and the players are playing the fans against a cause that is neither unified or consistent.

Bad ****ing strategy.

Its almost like people forgot about the fallout from the Baseball strike and how long it took to get the fans back.
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I would suggest trying to stay out of the criminal justice system then.

Just a crazy idea that sprang to mind.
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Douchebags who blame the cj system instead of the criminals are the worst kind of people. They enable the wrong and obstruct the right.
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So it's working; we're getting bad people off the streets... Woot!
Yeah, and it is working as well as when the US decided to "free the Iraqi people" or "eradicate terrorism" or "prohibit alcohol" or "stop drug abuse"

All of this shit is a farce.

Mandatory minimum sentencing is a sham.

Neighborhood policing is a sham.

Crime with no victim, by definition, is not a crime.
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So it's working; we're getting bad people off the streets... Woot!
Riiight, because life in the USA was soooo dangerous back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's.
Look, the approach you seem to be fine with doesn't work. One conviction for a minor drug offense can ruin lives, tear families apart, removes breadwinners from families and leaves them in ruins. With little hope of climbing out of poverty and having a good life.
The main reason our prisons are overflowing has more to do with the incarceration for profit system we have now than justice.
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Yeah, and it is working as well as when the US decided to "free the Iraqi people" or "eradicate terrorism" or "prohibit alcohol" or "stop drug abuse"

All of this shit is a farce.

Mandatory minimum sentencing is a sham.

Neighborhood policing is a sham.

Crime with no victim, by definition, is not a crime.
You don't think there are victims of drug abuse? Seriously?

Do you have any idea the absolute mess that Meth has made of communities?

Are you aware the all time murder rate high in this country was caused by the crack epidemic? Do you think if crack had been legal that wouldn't have happened? Horseshit.
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I would suggest trying to stay out of the criminal justice system then.

Just a crazy idea that sprang to mind.
Not surprised this is your answer. Just stay away instead of trying to fix the problem.
Marclueless strikes again.
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Yeah, and it is working as well as when the US decided to "free the Iraqi people" or "eradicate terrorism" or "prohibit alcohol" or "stop drug abuse"

All of this shit is a farce.

Mandatory minimum sentencing is a sham.

Neighborhood policing is a sham.

Crime with no victim, by definition, is not a crime.
It's an oppurtunity for profit.
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Riiight, because life in the USA was soooo dangerous back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's.
Look, the approach you seem to be fine with doesn't work. One conviction for a minor drug offense can ruin lives, tear families apart, removes breadwinners from families and leaves them in ruins. With little hope of climbing out of poverty and having a good life.
The main reason our prisons are overflowing has more to do with the incarceration for profit system we have now than justice.
The reason our prisons are overflowing is because of the countries continuous moral decline.

We have become more liberal and more immoral over time. That's just a fact.

Liberals want to put it all on the justice system and that's bullshit. I'm not saying it doesn't need improvement but that's not the number one cause. Its just another liberal excuse that basically absolves blame.


The absolute decline of the nuclear family and 2 parent households is a much bigger issue.
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Not surprised this is your answer. Just stay away instead of trying to fix the problem.
Marclueless strikes again.


I know right, people don't have a choice but to commit crime! No other options! Its not their fault man!
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