****Official Chiefs Free Agents thread****

[BigRedChief]

Our Free Agents:

S Eric Berry
LB Derrick Johnson
CB Sean Smith
DT Jaye Howard
LB Tamba Hali
QB Chase Daniel
S Tyvon Branch
DE Mike DeVito
G Jeff Allen
S Husain Abdullah
WR Jason Avant
LB Frank Zombo
OT Donald Stephenson
CB Jamell Fleming
LB Dezman Moses

We supposedly have $31 million in cap space.

Chiefs Free Agent tracker
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...s-city-chiefs/

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Done deals:

Kelce signs 5 year extension, $46 million with $20.6 guarantee money.

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Rumors:

Howard contract discussions are fluid:
http://nfltraderumors.co/141573-2/

Berry having various discussion with the Chiefs:
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/ar...13067_20228983

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sean smith will look good in oakland

Jags have 76 million in cap space because all their offensive weapons are on rookie contracts lol

They will over pay for every defensive player that looked like he knew how to play football in 2015. I fully expect Jaye Howard to get his "top 5" money in JAX.

[thabear04]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Jags have 76 million in cap space because all their offensive weapons are on rookie contracts lol

They will over pay for every defensive player that looked like he knew how to play football in 2015. I fully expect Jaye Howard to get his "top 5" money in JAX.

Plus Gus Bradley was there when Howard was with Seattle.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Jags have 76 million in cap space because all their offensive weapons are on rookie contracts lol

They will over pay for every defensive player that looked like he knew how to play football in 2015. I fully expect Jaye Howard to get his "top 5" money in JAX.

This is the problem. Our cap space is still going to be a pittance compared to a handful of teams out there.

FA contracts are going to be pretty nutty for the top of the scale this year. Smith and Howard fall squarely in that category for their respective positions.

Hell, Johnson and Jenkins might as well. It's why we may have to look at guys like Lane or Robinson - players that stay under the radar due to injury/role.

[mcaj22]

Yep you're going to see a guy like Jay Howard skew the landscape.

He's like that fake lineman on the HBO show Ballers but in real life. Where they talk about slotting him around JJ Watt/Gerald McCoy money

It's going to be silly absurd. It may not be that high but it's going to be close to 12/13/14

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Yep you're going to see a guy like Jay Howard skew the landscape.

He's like that fake lineman on the HBO show Ballers but in real life. Where they talk about slotting him around JJ Watt/Gerald McCoy money

It's going to be silly absurd. It may not be that high but it's going to be close to 12/13/14

It's the only way to build a championship team in this era without a HoF quarterback.

You have to underpay about 1/2 your roster. You can overpay 1/4 and pay market for the other 1/4. That underpaid half comes primarily through the draft but you need some savvy FA pickups in there as well.

To this point Dorsey's shown to have a very good eye for that. Here's hoping he keeps that touch over the coming years.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Yep you're going to see a guy like Jay Howard skew the landscape.

He's like that fake lineman on the HBO show Ballers but in real life. Where they talk about slotting him around JJ Watt/Gerald McCoy money

It's going to be silly absurd. It may not be that high but it's going to be close to 12/13/14

Guys like Mike Daniels and Derek Wolfe got about 10/yr.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If Jaye gets 10 million a year I'll shit myself.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If Jaye gets 10 million a year I'll shit myself.

He put it on tape that he can be a dominant nose guard and a plus end.

If he makes it to unrestricted FA, there won't be a shortage of teams competitions for his services.

He's very comparable to guys that are getting 10/yr now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If that's the case, KC better choose between Howard and Poe right now. Can't keep both at that rate.

[ct]

Originally Posted by ILChief

If smith leaves we need to look at CB in early rounds again. To the people who say that gaines can step in, that's what you had to start the season and you saw how that went. I would sign smith over Howard. We seem good at uncovering good DL so I think we can do it again. At worst, bring devito back

Gaines was not the problem, jameel ****ing fleming was the problem

[pugsnotdrugs19]

and IF the Chiefs can get Trumaine Johnson instead of Smith for less money, it needs done.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If that's the case, KC better choose between Howard and Poe right now. Can't keep both at that rate.

I think that's pretty obviously been the question for awhile now.

Let's also not forget that Bailey's money goes up fairly substantially at the back of that deal. He's sporting an $8 million cap hit in 2018 and if you bring Howard and Poe back as well, those deals will also likely be structured in a way that you're going to be nearly $40 million into your 3 down lineman. That does not strike me as a championship formula.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think that's pretty obviously been the question for awhile now.

Let's also not forget that Bailey's money goes up fairly substantially at the back of that deal. He's sporting an $8 million cap hit in 2018 and if you bring Howard and Poe back as well, those deals will also likely be structured in a way that you're going to be nearly $40 million into your 3 down lineman. That does not strike me as a championship formula.

I think if you made me pick one I'd probably go Poe.. But damn. Either way you lose. Someone has to be the next Jaye Howard.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He put it on tape that he can be a dominant nose guard and a plus end.

If he makes it to unrestricted FA, there won't be a shortage of teams competitions for his services.

He's very comparable to guys that are getting 10/yr now.

I don't understand why so many people around here think he's average.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't understand why so many people around here think he's average.

Do you really think we're going to hear much out of Howard when he leaves KC?

Over/Under on Pro Bowl appearances. Starter or alternate is fine.

I don't think he's 'average' but I think he's about to be overpaid. There's too much money in the market and the salary floor says that teams have to spend. Howard's probably going to be the best interior defender on the market and he's relatively young.

He's going to get paid a shocking amount of money, IMO. The reaction will be similar to when Hudson got his deal - "Man, I like Howard, but at that number the {X team} can have him." We're trying to build a balanced ballclub and you can't do that if you overpay for 5-techniques.

He's not a difference maker and he damn sure isn't a better NT than Poe as you have suggested. Literally everything that Howard can do, Poe can do better. He's stronger, he's quicker and he's more agile. I think some are underrating Howard but I think you've been overrating him for quite some time now.