My Humble Chiefs 2015 Draft Thoughts

[Sully]

I guess the most basic thing to ask is, Did we upgrade?" While i don't think that answer has been clear in the previous two drafts, I do believe in this draft we definitively improved at several positions, and set ourselves up for some great play over the next few seasons.

Round 1- Peters- This pick worries me. Getting kicked off a team is a huge deal, especially when you are as talented as this guy. The coaches must've felt that they had to send a message, and that his behavior was bad enough to lose his stellar play. The question that can't be answered for a while is, 'Was it a wake-up call?" I hope so. But is it an upgrade? Absolutely. Peters may be, within a season, the best CB on the roster.

Round 2- Morse- Yeah... Lot's of teeth gnashing and ripping of clothes over this one. Yes, it was a reach (kind of). Yes, it's not at a position that's sexy. But, again, was it an upgrade? Without question. The Chiefs' line needs improvement. We are staring down the barrel of starting a center who was a late round pick, and who didn't see the field last year. Could he be great? Absolutely. (And I don't think the Morse pick is as much of an indictment on Kush as others). I think that the pick was the confluence of a few things. The Chiefs obviously like Morse. Given. But they wanted someone who could play Center if Kush sucks, but also play another position at a high level if Kush won the job, as well. Once they chose Peters over Ervin, this was pretty much the pick they needed to make. I also think Morse is pretty good. So regardless of where he plays, it's an upgrade (we were that bad).

Round 3- Conley- OK, I wanted this kid. For the first time in my life, I yelled and got excited about a damn 3rd round pick. It's ridiculous. But I love Conley. I think he is perfect for what we do (with a few tweaks), and will be one of the top 2 or 3 receivers from this draft as we look back on it. Am I delusional? Abso-****ing-lutely. Never make a statement like that about a 3rd round pick three days after the draft... idiot. However, I love this guys brain, his passion, and his ****ing speed. Is he an upgrade over Bowe? You bet your ass he is. He's going to open up our offense to allow us to do more things. Let me rant for a minute. Over the past few years, Bowe did a few things, but really what he was "best" at was catching a quick slant in tight coverage. Balls snapped, quick slant, 4-6 yards. Extended handoff as they say. But the thing is, why was the coverage always that tight? because Bowe was ****ing slow. He's not going to beat anyone off the line. Even if he gets to a CB's back hip, there's plenty of time for the back to recover. I'd like to see the Chiefs runa few of these slants to Conley. Let's see him turn one into a 20-30 yard gain, because he beat his man and the safety had to come up. Let's see them slant-go his ass, and burn someone for 60. I think he'll work out just fine. (Again, i admit I'm delusional.)

Round 3- Nelson- In the "is this an upgrade" question, I'm not sure. Is this guy better than Gaines? Is he better than Cooper? I don't know. I actually like those two guys, so I don't know.

Round 4- Wilson- The problem highlighted in the online scouting reports is the same problem I have when I watch the (admittedly limited) vids on youtube. He seems to stick to blocks. I love the speed, but unless he learns to scrape and find run throughs a little better, he's gonna have a tough time. I talked to a buddy of mine who graduated from UGA, and who is die hard, and he loves Wilson, but admitted, he isn't gong to play much behind the line of scrimmage. That said, do you all remember that up until Haley got here, DJ was thought of as sort of a bust? The biggest thing he learned that turned him from average to great, was how to shoot through windows. previously, DJ would run around trash to get to the PoA, and that would take away his angle, and give up yards. Suddenly, it was striking how he could shoot through an open window, and use his speed and athleticism to cut off a runner's angle. If Wilson can be taught that, he could be a beat. it's a simple tech, he just has to be open to the coaching.

However,

Round 5- Alexander- Seems to do a better job of finding those windows and using his speed. He should also be amazing on Special teams. Overall, the two ILBs will be an upgrade above a slow Mauga, and possibly hobbled DJ. It just may not be as immediate as above players.

ROund 5- O'Shaughnessy- I've watched one YouTube, and read one report, but I'm sold. For a #2 backup, he's more athletic and/or accomplished than anyone else we have, and even Fasano. Can he block? Apparently.

Round 6- Nunez-Rochez- Not impressed. Seems to have good burst through gaps, so maybe a passing sub, but I don't know that he'll be much more than that. If he's used to spell Poe, it's an upgrade. If not... meh.

Round 7- DaRon Brown- Can he cover kicks? That's all that matters.


I'm very happy with this draft. I think we upgraded a ton at several positions. I'm excited to see these guys moving forward, as I think we have got a great core to help the team now, and build around in the future.

[LiL stumppy]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It doesn't worry me. This team needs a ****ing attitude... Period.... Its a soft ****ing team full of soft ****ing players. Our LT should be mean and nasty and ours is a duffle bag full of chewed bubble gum.


Morse would of been there, many here have said he was projected to be a 4th or 5th round pick.

I would love for you to say that to Fisher and see what happens. This team isn't soft, it was simply missing some vital pieces. People are so reeruned.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And again, Mayock said he was the top C on his board (suprisingly, ahead of Grassu) right before he was drafted. A few beat writers on Twitter also said that he was considered a lock for the 2nd round a couple of weeks ago.

There's absolutely nobody that realistically expected him to fall out of the 3rd and at least a handful of people that didn't expect him to make it that far. At worst, he's a guy the Chiefs took a round early. Oh well - it happens; I'm not going to get worked up about that, especially when there's some solid evidence to suggest that he wouldn't have made it to the 3rd.

To me this is kindof like the college football rankings. When these services have pre-season rankings it just pisses me off because it's prone to confirmation bias. It's really hard for teams to move up and down when they're rank-ordered based on...well, nothing. So why not wait until week 6 for the first published results?

Had there been no draft guides and no leaks from other camps about these guys until after the combine, Morse would never have been considered a 5th round pick. He's a 3 year starter who showed the athleticism to start at T for a back to back SEC division champion. He's a smart, lunchpail player who then proceeded to demolish the scouting combine as well.

Other than 'THE DRAFT GUIDES SAID!!!', what more could you really want in the guy? Sure, he may not pan out, but neither do 2/3 of the guys selected in the 3rd round. Morse is actually a pretty decent prospect that fit a need.

The draft projections referred to are from guys reading him as a tackle. One draft guy on either NFLN or ESPN said as much. Also t said that looking at him as a C or a G and that being a need raises his value.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

I would love for you to say that to Fisher and see what happens

I'm surprised that you can feed and clothe yourself without help.

[LiL stumppy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm surprised that you can feed and clothe yourself without help.

At least I live a fun, successful life that I don't have to embellish on an internet message board to feel worthy.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I really do believe that Andy told Dorsey that he could handle Peters a few days before the draft.

And why should we be inclined to believe he can't? T.O., Jackson, Vick, V. Young. These guys were character guys who in Philly who Reid had under control. And some of them said outrageously stupid shit.

Character players usually end up going bad when you have a nazi coach like Haley screaming in your face. Ever notice that Belicheat and Reid are calm guys who treat their players like men? That's exactly why they can have those guys.

Say what?

[CoMoChief]

This draft outside of a couple picks wasn't very impressive. Chiefs could have really nailed this draft had they capitalized on the players that fell into later rounds.

My draft is a lot better than KC's

1. CB-Marcus Peters (proj rd 1)

2. WR-Tyler Lockett (proj rd 2-3) This is going to haunt Chiefs fans for yrs. He was there, and the Chiefs bombed w/ the stupid pick of Mitch Morse. Horrible pick. Pisses me off just to even think about it. This was the kind of shit we always saw w/ Dick Vermeil..typical Chiefs shitting their pants and reaching in the 2nd rd.

3. WR-Chris Conley (proj rd 3)

3. OT-TJ Clemmings (proj rd 1-2)

4. ILB-Ramik Wilson (proj rd 4)

5. DT-Michael Bennett (proj rd 2-3)

5. CB-Ifo Erekpe-Olomu (proj rd 1-2 before inj) He probably would have to sit out first season while he's getting healthy from his acl tear. But acl tears aren't as serious as they were 10-15 yrs ago. This guy was a lockdown CB and was considered in that elite CB group w/ Waynes and Peters up until his injury before the Rose Bowl.

6. FS-Gerod Holliman (proj rd 4-5)

7. OT-La'El Collins (proj rd 1 - top 15) (If he doesn't pan out due to off-field issues...so what it's a 7th rd pick, most 7th round picks don't even make it off the PS, and to have a top 15 talent fall completely off the draft board...that rarely happens, this would be a no brainer)

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This draft outside of a couple picks wasn't very impressive. Chiefs could have really nailed this draft had they capitalized on the players that fell into later rounds.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

This draft outside of a couple picks wasn't very impressive. Chiefs could have really nailed this draft had they capitalized on the players that fell into later rounds.

My draft is a lot better than KC's

1. CB-Marcus Peters (proj rd 1)

2. WR-Tyler Lockett (proj rd 2-3) This is going to haunt Chiefs fans for yrs. He was there, and the Chiefs bombed w/ the stupid pick of Mitch Morse. Horrible pick. Pisses me off just to even think about it. This was the kind of shit we always saw w/ Dick Vermeil..typical Chiefs shitting their pants and reaching in the 2nd rd.

3. WR-Chris Conley (proj rd 3)

3. OT-TJ Clemmings (proj rd 1-2)

4. ILB-Ramik Wilson (proj rd 4)

5. DT-Michael Bennett (proj rd 2-3)

5. CB-Ifo Erekpe-Olomu (proj rd 1-2 before inj) He probably would have to sit out first season while he's getting healthy from his acl tear. But acl tears aren't as serious as they were 10-15 yrs ago. This guy was a lockdown CB and was considered in that elite CB group w/ Waynes and Peters up until his injury before the Rose Bowl.

6. FS-Gerod Holliman (proj rd 4-5)

7. OT-La'El Collins (proj rd 1 - top 15) (If he doesn't pan out due to off-field issues...so what it's a 7th rd pick, most 7th round picks don't even make it off the PS, and to have a top 15 talent fall completely off the draft board...that rarely happens, this would be a no brainer)

Congrats....you just helped Collins enter the draft next year. He wouldn't have signed his contract and he would have used that to re-enter next years draft.