News Broke apart in mid-air Germanwings - Page 6

**digger** · 03-24-2015, 04:08 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...s-live-updates

**dirk digler** · 03-26-2015, 07:00 AM

This is probably what happened to Flight 370 as well. All airlines or the FFA probably need to take another look at access to the cockpit.

Amnorix · 03-26-2015, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I have ADD and OCD.

You wouldn't know it by talking to me on here but you can see it if you know what to look for.

I imbibe libations quite a bit but my waking days are methodically, and neurotically, spent decreasing risk to the point it's obsessive.

My wife has some OCD ness going on too so I understand that need to feel control, but honestly, it is as safe, or safer, for you to get on board a passenger jet and fly somewhere, than it is for you to get in your car and drive somewhere. Just because you have the wheel in your car, and have done that more times and survived, doesn't mean your ODDS of surviving it the next time are better than your odds of surviving that flight.

Tell me how your control would help in this situation:

Amnorix · 03-26-2015, 07:18 AM

I heard this morning that American aviation rules prohibit one person being alone in the cockpit. As a result, if there are two pilots and one goes to the restroom or whatever, a flight attendant goes into the cockpit.

The radio program I was listening to was uncertain whether this was the procedure in Europe. If it was followed, we may have had a different result (though in theory the co-pilot could lock the door then take out the flight attendant, if physically able, leading to the same result).

ct · 03-26-2015, 07:28 AM

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Soon....

if we are already remotely flying unpiloted drones over half the world anyway, this should be a possibility. Not completely, but as fail safe backup plan.

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Just because you have the wheel in your car, and have done that more times and survived, doesn't mean your ODDS of surviving it the next time are better than your odds of surviving that flight.

We've had two fatal crashes on the two lane highway I drive to work on over the last couple of years. In both cases, a car suddenly swerved into the oncoming lane and hit head on. In the first case, they think the old guy that caused the accident had a heart attack and in the second, they think the driver dropped something and swerved when he bent to pick it up. In both cases, it happened so fast that there wasn't time to even hit the brakes, let alone dive to the side to get out of the way. The weird thing about the second one was that it happened at 5 am when there is very little traffic. Just shitty luck that it happened when it did.

A lot of accidents are avoidable but this idea of complete control while driving is an illusion.

Eleazar · 03-26-2015, 08:10 AM

The smell must have been REALLY bad.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2015, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

The radio program I was listening to was uncertain whether this was the procedure in Europe.

The media is reporting that Europe has no such procedure. When one of the pilots leaves, the other is allowed to be alone.

Why Not? · 03-26-2015, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

but this idea of complete control while driving is an illusion.

This. I understand people's fear and I think it's human nature to think about how horrible it would be to die in a plane crash, but it would be pretty horrible to keel over of a heart attack, drown, have an anuerysm, get eaten by a ****ing fish(shark), etc, etc. Unless your gonna go peacefully in the night, it's all gonna suck. Might as well walk around afraid of everything if your gonna be afraid of anything in that regard.

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 08:33 AM

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This. I understand people's fear and I think it's human nature to think about how horrible it would be to die in a plane crash, but it would be pretty horrible to keel over of a heart attack, drown, have an anuerysm, get eaten by a ****ing fish(shark), etc, etc. Unless your gonna go peacefully in the night, it's all gonna suck. Might as well walk around afraid of everything if your gonna be afraid of anything in that regard.

My in-laws go to Florida at least once a year to visit my wife's aunt. My m-i-l is terrified to fly so they drive - from Oregon. Since they are retired, they take their time, visit sights along the way, etc. However, it definitely isn't safer than driving. Even throwing out the accident thing, they could be carjacked in a city, mugged in their cheap motel, etc. It definitely isn't safer than flying there.

**penguinz** · 03-26-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

My in-laws go to Florida at least once a year to visit my wife's aunt. My m-i-l is terrified to fly so they drive - from Oregon. Since they are retired, they take their time, visit sights along the way, etc. However, it definitely isn't safer than driving. Even throwing out the accident thing, they could be carjacked in a city, mugged in their cheap motel, etc. It definitely isn't safer than flying there.

Tell them to stay in nice motels.

Pennywise · 03-26-2015, 08:37 AM

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Yikes!

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

Tell them to stay in nice motels.

I do but my mil is a skinflint, so it's Motel 6 and Super 8's the whole way. With coupons.

**DaFace** · 03-26-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya

Thing about a plane crash is that it's 99.9% death rate.

That's actually completely untrue - we just never hear about any but the most deadly crashes. From 1983 to 2000, the NTSB estimated the accident survival rate at 95.7%.

**penguinz** · 03-26-2015, 08:48 AM

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I do but my mil is a skinflint, so it's Motel 6 and Super 8's the whole way. With coupons.

Those are nice motels compared to some of the places I have stayed on long road trips!

But I do agree with your premise. There is a greater chance of dying driving across the country over several days than there is to fly in a few hours.

WhawhaWhat · 03-26-2015, 09:00 AM

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Thing about a plane crash is that it's 99.9% death rate.

Thanks Nancy Grace.

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