Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 6

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If he loved Andy Reid and wanted to stay here, he'd take a Dalton deal.

But he's trying to press his luck, knowing he's not getting big money if he hits the market next year.

Conning John Dorsey is his only shot at sealing one last big deal.

If it were a qb you actually liked you would be splooging all over your computer that he actually wanted to stay long term.

Dalton had to take that deal because that's what he has earned.

He has been an awful post season qb.

you talk about how mediocre alex smith is, but yet his numbers in the post season are absolutely ridiculous.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Yeah. I mean, hell, Drew brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady have nothing but SCRUBS AROUND THEM.

Tom Brady won 3 SB's with Deion Branch as his #1 WR.

**TimBone** · 08-09-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Exactly, put the reports together and he wants the 100 million without giving us any out.
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Yep. And that is probably the silliest move the Chiefs could make.

Let him play out this year, and let's take it from there.

**srvy** · 08-09-2014, 06:03 PM

Problem is who is behind Smith to push him like Kaep did. None of those Jake legs look like longterm solutions. Bray just face it doesn't fit anything Reid likes to do and is a complete overhaul. Guy is never gonna grow wheels. He looks like a regular season strip fest with his long slow motion. Murray looks more like what Reid looks for in a QB but he is a midget. We have one of those already. The Chiefs over the years have drafted so many of these Bray types. Just looks to me like if Smith puts up another good year the Chiefs will be forced to make the deal.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

If it were a qb you actually liked you would be splooging all over your computer that he actually wanted to stay long term.

Dalton had to take that deal because that's what he has earned.

He has been an awful post season qb.

you talk about how mediocre alex smith is, but yet his numbers in the post season are absolutely ridiculous.

How many games has he won with those ridiculous numbers?
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**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson

I don't see how you guys are interpreting what he's saying into "he'll take less money as long as there's a commitment."

He's looking for a commitment AND money.

I never said that he wasn't looking for a raise. he clearly has earned a raise of 8 mil a year.

I have no facts to back it up, but I think he would rather take a 5 year deal for 70 mil, rather than a 2 year 30 mil deal

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

If it were a qb you actually liked you would be splooging all over your computer that he actually wanted to stay long term.

Dalton had to take that deal because that's what he has earned.

He has been an awful post season qb.

you talk about how mediocre alex smith is, but yet his numbers in the post season are absolutely ridiculous.

Who in their right mind is going to commit to a guy based on 2 playoff games?

Again, age plays a role here. If your claiming Dalton hasn't earned a deal, I have no ****ing clue what you think Alex has "earned".

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

How many games has he won with those ridiculous numbers?
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One more than Dalton.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Tom Brady won a 3 SB's with Deion Branch as his #1 WR.

He won those super bowls, because of their defense.

Don't kid yourself. that and video tape.

ChiefsCountry · 08-09-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Chances are if the Chiefs hold their water, he'll get neither.

Come on we know the Chiefs will get bent over like a chick in a John Holmes flick.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

He won those super bowls, because of their defense.

Don't kid yourself. that and video tape.

What did Alex Smith do with a good defense?

Not win a single SB, let alone 3, and lost his job.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Who in their right mind is going to commit to a guy based on 2 playoff games?

Again, age plays a role here. If your claiming Dalton hasn't earned a deal, I have no ****ing clue what you think Alex has "earned".

I said he earned that deal.

That's the deal he has earned. for the amount of talent he has around him, and that they keep adding around him, with the absolutely awful post season numbers he has put up, he has earned that deal. A short term low security deal.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

But, just being honest, if a deal came down at 5 years 70 mil, people are going to bitch regardless.

So really what is the difference? Unless it results in the Chiefs cutting ties with alex smith, and drafts a qb in the first round, no one is going to be happy.

I'm happy if Alex signs that and plays well.

If he gets injured? If the Chiefs finally get lucky and end up having a real QB in Bray?

Sorry, Alex. Not everybody gets a trophy. Nor does everybody get a contract that guarantees a longterm deal worth an ass ton of money.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Come on we know the Chiefs will get bent over like a chick in a John Holmes flick.

Probably.

And then people will wonder why we go 6-10 every year.

Alex Smith needs to be surrounded by an All Star team to have a legit chance.

His demands make it impossible to field an All Star team because it leaves us no cap space - it actually means we have to let good young players walk.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 06:07 PM

I'm not a salary cap guru. Would the Chiefs be able to trade Alex if they didn't want him anymore? Or would they still be stuck with a shit ton of dead money each year that Alex didn't play with the team?

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3848675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $1111250	Problem is who is behind Smith to push him like Kaep did. None of those Jake legs look like longterm solutions. Bray just face it doesn't fit anything Reid likes to do and is a complete overhaul. Guy is never gonna grow wheels. He looks like a regular season strip fest with his long slow motion. Murray looks more like what Reid looks for in a QB but he is a midget. We have one of those already. The Chiefs over the years have drafted so many of these Bray types. Just looks to me like if Smith puts up another good year the Chiefs will be forced to make the deal.
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