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Chiefs Pantalones · 07-17-2014, 09:57 AM

@FoxNews: UPDATE: Adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister says passenger plane carrying 295 shot down, @AP reports

**SAUTO** · 07-17-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Not exactly something you want to see:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

"part of this flight occurs outside of flight aware's tracking area"...

**Dave Lane** · 07-17-2014, 11:33 AM

So it flew clear across Ukraine until it reached the rebel held area. The rebel held area that denied having the missiles the reporters had seen before. Hmmmmmm

**Donger** · 07-17-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

"part of this flight occurs outside of flight aware's tracking area"...

Look at the green line and where it stops. That's the flight path of the 777.

**Donger** · 07-17-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Seriously, Putin appears to either have lost control of the rebels (and Russian military hardware) or is trying to start WW3.

I don't know what type of SAMs Ukraine has, to be honest. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they have some capable of this.

**SAUTO** · 07-17-2014, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Look at the green line and where it stops. That's the flight path of the 777.

I got that.

I just thought the part I quoted was crazy/ funny...

**Donger** · 07-17-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

So it flew clear across Ukraine until it reached the rebel held area. The rebel held area that denied having the missiles the reporters had seen before. Hmmmmmm

Yes, that seems to be the case.

Mennonite · 07-17-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Look at the green line and where it stops. That's the flight path of the 777.

Well, maybe if they had finished connecting the dots in their flight plan they wouldn't have crashed over the Ukraine. Jeez Malaysia.

**gblowfish** · 07-17-2014, 11:38 AM

What possible good would it do them to shoot down a commercial airliner? Somebody must have mistook it for a military plane.

**BigRedChief** · 07-17-2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't know what type of SAMs Ukraine has, to be honest. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they have some capable of this.

The basic Russian anti-aircraft batteries can reach 10000 ft easily. I think they actually go a lot higher.

dmahurin · 07-17-2014, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't know what type of SAMs Ukraine has, to be honest. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they have some capable of this.

You can all but guarantee that they had/have access to SA-17's.

saphojunkie · 07-17-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The basic Russian anti-aircraft batteries can reach 10000 ft easily. I think they actually go a lot higher.

They said on the news it was at cruising altitude - 32k.

**ptlyon** · 07-17-2014, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

What possible good would it do them to shoot down a commercial airliner? Somebody must have mistook it for a military plane.

That's Matt Cassel area of pissed

**Donger** · 07-17-2014, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The basic Russian anti-aircraft batteries can reach 10000 ft easily. I think they actually go a lot higher.

SAMs? Yes, much higher.

**gblowfish** · 07-17-2014, 11:46 AM

This is what the Associated Press is reporting:

22 bodies counted at Ukraine wreckage site
By PETER LEONARD and MSTYSLAV CHERNOV
Associated Press

GRABOVO, Ukraine (AP) -- An Associated Press journalist has counted at least 22 bodies at the plane wreckage site in eastern Ukraine involving a Malaysia Airlines commercial flight.

The plane appeared to have broken up before impact and the wreck is scattered over a wide area in the eastern Ukraine village of Grabovo.

The field around the burning wreck was strewn with body parts and the belongings of the passengers Thursday.

Malaysia Airlines has said 295 people were aboard the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

Ukraine says a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday as it flew over the country, and both the government and the pro-Russia separatists who have been fighting in the region denied any responsibility for downing the plane.

As plumes of black smoke rose up near a rebel-held village in eastern Ukraine, the fate of the 280 passengers and 15 crew aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was not immediately known.

Malaysia Airlines tweeted that it lost contact with one of its flights as it was traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over Ukrainian airspace, but did not yet confirm the crash.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called the downing an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash.

The Donetsk region government said a plane crashed Thursday near a village called Grabovo, which it said is currently under the control of the separatists. The region where the flight was lost has seen severe fighting between the two sides in recent days.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet). He said it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher, which can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet).

The Malaysia Airlines plane is a Boeing 777-200ER, which was delivered to Malaysia Airlines on July 30, 1997, according to Flightglobal's Ascend Online Fleets, which sells and tracks information about aircraft. It has more than 43,000 hours of flight time and 6,950 takeoffs and landings.

Poroshenko said his country's armed forces didn't shoot at any airborne targets.

"We do not exclude that this plane was shot down, and we stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets," he said. "We are sure that those who are guilty in this tragedy will be held responsible."

Separatist leader Andrei Purgin told The Associated Press that he was certain that Ukrainian troops had shot the plane down but gave no explanation or proof for his statement.

Purgin said he did not know whether rebel forces owned Buk missile launchers, but said even if they did, there had no fighters capable of operating it.

A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists earlier Thursday near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by the rebels.

It was the second time that a Malaysia Airlines plane was lost in less than six months. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared in March while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It has not been found, but the search has been concentrated in the Indian Ocean far west of Australia.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said on Twitter there's no confirmation that Thursday's plane was shot down. He said he has instructed the country's military to check.

There have been disputes over planes being shot down earlier in the region.

On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kiev says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down.

Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely

Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbor. The Russian Defense Ministry couldn't be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet being shot down.

Earlier this week, Ukraine said a military transport plane was shot down Monday by a missile fired from Russian territory.

Other passenger planes have been shot down before including:

- April 20, 1978: Korean Airlines Flight 902, which diverted from its planned course on a flight from Paris to Seoul and strayed over the Soviet Union. After being fired upon by an interceptor aircraft, the crew made a forced landing at night on the surface of a frozen lake. Two of the 97 passengers were killed by the hostile fire.

- Sept. 1, 1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 shot down by at least one Soviet air-to-air missile after the 747 had strayed into Soviet airspace. All 240 passengers and 29 crew were killed.

- July 3, 1988: Iran Air Flight 655 Aircraft was shot down by a surface to air missile from the American naval vessel U.S.S. Vincennes. All 16 crew and 274 passengers were killed.

---

Peter Leondard reported from Kiev, Ukraine. AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz in New York contributed to this report.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 07-17-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

They said on the news it was at cruising altitude - 32k.

That last article says they can go to 22k meters, so roughly twice as high as that plane was flying.

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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17596178 VARSITY	This is what the Associated Press is reporting: 22 bodies counted at Ukraine wreckage site By PETER LEONARD and MSTYSLAV CHERNOV Associated Press GRABOVO, Ukraine (AP) -- An Associated Press journalist has counted at least 22 bodies at the plane wreckage site in eastern Ukraine involving a Malaysia Airlines commercial flight. The plane appeared to have broken up before impact and the wreck is scattered over a wide area in the eastern Ukraine village of Grabovo. The field around the burning wreck was strewn with body parts and the belongings of the passengers Thursday. Malaysia Airlines has said 295 people were aboard the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Ukraine says a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday as it flew over the country, and both the government and the pro-Russia separatists who have been fighting in the region denied any responsibility for downing the plane. As plumes of black smoke rose up near a rebel-held village in eastern Ukraine, the fate of the 280 passengers and 15 crew aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was not immediately known. Malaysia Airlines tweeted that it lost contact with one of its flights as it was traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over Ukrainian airspace, but did not yet confirm the crash. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called the downing an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash. The Donetsk region government said a plane crashed Thursday near a village called Grabovo, which it said is currently under the control of the separatists. The region where the flight was lost has seen severe fighting between the two sides in recent days. Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet). He said it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher, which can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet). The Malaysia Airlines plane is a Boeing 777-200ER, which was delivered to Malaysia Airlines on July 30, 1997, according to Flightglobal's Ascend Online Fleets, which sells and tracks information about aircraft. It has more than 43,000 hours of flight time and 6,950 takeoffs and landings. Poroshenko said his country's armed forces didn't shoot at any airborne targets. "We do not exclude that this plane was shot down, and we stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets," he said. "We are sure that those who are guilty in this tragedy will be held responsible." Separatist leader Andrei Purgin told The Associated Press that he was certain that Ukrainian troops had shot the plane down but gave no explanation or proof for his statement. Purgin said he did not know whether rebel forces owned Buk missile launchers, but said even if they did, there had no fighters capable of operating it. A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists earlier Thursday near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by the rebels. It was the second time that a Malaysia Airlines plane was lost in less than six months. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared in March while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It has not been found, but the search has been concentrated in the Indian Ocean far west of Australia. Malaysian Defense Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said on Twitter there's no confirmation that Thursday's plane was shot down. He said he has instructed the country's military to check. There have been disputes over planes being shot down earlier in the region. On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kiev says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down. Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbor. The Russian Defense Ministry couldn't be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet being shot down. Earlier this week, Ukraine said a military transport plane was shot down Monday by a missile fired from Russian territory. Other passenger planes have been shot down before including: - April 20, 1978: Korean Airlines Flight 902, which diverted from its planned course on a flight from Paris to Seoul and strayed over the Soviet Union. After being fired upon by an interceptor aircraft, the crew made a forced landing at night on the surface of a frozen lake. Two of the 97 passengers were killed by the hostile fire. - Sept. 1, 1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 shot down by at least one Soviet air-to-air missile after the 747 had strayed into Soviet airspace. All 240 passengers and 29 crew were killed. - July 3, 1988: Iran Air Flight 655 Aircraft was shot down by a surface to air missile from the American naval vessel U.S.S. Vincennes. All 16 crew and 274 passengers were killed. --- Peter Leondard reported from Kiev, Ukraine. AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz in New York contributed to this report.
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