Covitz:Brandon Flowers calls himself the ‘best corner in football’

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

There is no defensive position more important than pass rusher, and that includes CB.

That's like saying WR's are more important than QB's.

I'd disagree.

The rule changes have forced pass rushers to let up.

A solid secondary is more important now than ever...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are and idiot.

We have a ton of "star" players on defense. Houston, Hali, Powe, Berry, Johnson.

The issue has always been finding guys for depth and to fill out the team.

I'm a Flowers fan but at $10MM he wasn't worth it just like Carr wasn't 3 years ago.

The rules **** the CB so you must have pass rushers and good safeties. Period. The $ needs to be spent on Houston and Berry. Especially if Ford works out.

It is what it is. Flowers should have stayed on a restructured deal which I am sure they tried to work out. His ass got greedy.

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

There is no defensive position more important than pass rusher, and that includes CB.

Not sure how this evolved into a debate of comparative positional value.

This started because of the manner in which Marcellus dismisses corners in the first post quoted here.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by milkman

Not sure how this evolved into a debate of comparative positional value.

This started because of the manner in which Marcellus dismisses corners in the first post quoted here.

I didn't summarily dismiss the position, I said the $ is better spent on Houston and Berry and IMO you need elite pass rushers more than you need elite CB's. Flowers isn't elite anyway.

Flowers isn't worth $10MM a year, just like Carr wasn't. Spend the $ on Houston and Berry.

Thats what my post said.

[lcarus]

So are we pretending that Flowers sucked now that he's a Charger?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by lcarus

So are we pretending that Flowers sucked now that he's a Charger?

No, definitely not.

He's been banged up and playing (mediocre) hurt for the last 3 years.

I'd say, fully healthy, he's in the top 15-12 range...

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, definitely not.

He's been banged up and playing (mediocre) hurt for the last 3 years.

I'd say, fully healthy, he's in the top 15-12 range...

Statistically speaking (Comp % against, QB rating against, YPA against, and total yards against) he was top 5 from 2009-2012.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, definitely not.

He's been banged up and playing (mediocre) hurt for the last 3 years.

I'd say, fully healthy, he's in the top 15-12 range...

This... when healthy he's a damn solid player.

But I'm still not sweating his loss, really looking forward to getting some size/speed prospects out there in this scheme... aint skeert.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by lcarus

So are we pretending that Flowers sucked now that he's a Charger?

You seem to have a problem with tense.

[ThaVirus]

Like I said, I was nitpicking. It's not really something I even care to argue about.

Not a big deal.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Ravens Super Bowl run was made with a decent secondary. Their #1 CB, Webb, was out with a torn Achilles. Reed was declining. Corey Graham and Cary Williams started, and both were pretty good nothing special. Pollard was the big hitter but coverage was meh as usual. Pass rush is far and away more important. Seattle was in Peyton's face every play otherwise he would have lit it up..

[milkman]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The Ravens Super Bowl run was made with a decent secondary. Their #1 CB, Webb, was out with a torn Achilles. Reed was declining. Corey Graham and Cary Williams started, and both were pretty good nothing special. Pollard was the big hitter but coverage was meh as usual. Pass rush is far and away more important. Seattle was in Peyton's face every play otherwise he would have lit it up..

Not how it happened.

[Bambi]

Colts/Chiefs playoff game was on NFL Network tonight. I don't remember hearing Brandon Flowers name called. Did he play in the game?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Colts/Chiefs playoff game was on NFL Network tonight. I don't remember hearing Brandon Flowers name called. Did he play in the game?

You're an idiot. It's been stated multiple times that, although our defense was starting to give up yards and points while he was in, the flood gates were completely opened when he left the game.

I only had the stomach to re-watch the first half of that game, but he had an INT while the Colts were driving before halftime and also ran straight into about three pulling offensive linemen, causing Trent Richardson to change directions and try to move the ball to the other hand where Tamba was able to strip it.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You're an idiot. It's been stated multiple times that, although our defense was starting to give up yards and points while he was in, the flood gates were completely opened when he left the game.

I only had the stomach to re-watch the first half of that game, but he had an INT while the Colts were driving before halftime and also ran straight into about three pulling offensive linemen, causing Trent Richardson to change directions and try to move the ball to the other hand where Tamba was able to strip it.

I'm not an idiot I just don't remember him in the game.

Then again, you're not a Chiefs fan that actually thinks Reid/Dorsey are trying to win games this year are you?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I'm not an idiot I just don't remember him in the game.

Then again, you're not a Chiefs fan that actually thinks Reid/Dorsey are trying to win games this year are you?

Well if you just watched the game today like I did and you didn't notice him then you weren't paying very close attention, broskino. He played for most of the playoff game and he played well..

I'm sorry for the insult, though.