Chiefs Clark Judge: Chiefs can't afford to take quarterback with first pick of draft - Page 6

Marco Polo · 02-14-2013, 11:07 AM

Cover of cbssports.com:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/cl...-pick-of-draft

With two months to go before commissioner Roger Goodell steps to the lecturn to open the NFL draft, I have a prediction: The Kansas City Chiefs don't choose a quarterback with the first pick.

Yeah, I know, they need one like L.A. needs mass transit, and they'd take one if there were an Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford available.

But there's not.
In fact, there's nobody even close, and if you think I'm kidding you weren't listening to what Frank Scelfo, Jacksonville's quarterbacks coach, said about Blaine Gabbert the other day -- namely, that if he were in this year's draft he'd be the No. 1 choice.

That should tell you something about the field. It should also tell you what the Chiefs' first move should be -- namely, anywhere but quarterback.

With the first choice you don't draft for need; you draft the best player out there. You go in one direction and one direction only, and that's for the sure thing. You absolutely, positively must be sold that whomever you choose steps in, starts and becomes the foundation of your franchise for the next 5-10 years.

So tell me which of these guys fits that description: Geno Smith? Matt Barkley? Tyler Wilson? Tyler Bray? All have holes in their games, and none is worth choosing with the first, second or third picks.

So that makes Kansas City's options easy: Either stay where you are and choose the best player -- a pass rusher, maybe, or a left tackle -- or find your quarterback with a later choice. The bottom line is that the Chiefs must be true to their board, choosing the guy at the top ... and I can't imagine any of these quarterbacks is anywhere near there.

In fact, one guy I trust who studied this class of quarterbacks thinks it's so underwhelming he's not sure there's a legit first-rounder in there.

I'm serious.

That doesn't mean there won't be a quarterback taken in the first round. Of course there will. There will be more than one. It's a passing league, and clubs that don't have good, young quarterbacks can't wait to get their hands on one. So they reach, just as teams did in the 2011 draft when four quarterbacks went with the first 12 picks, leaving Andy Dalton to Cincinnati in the second round.

Dalton is the only quarterback in that class to make the playoffs his first two seasons, and there's a lesson there for Kansas City: Don't overdraft the position.

"We never reached (when I was at Dallas) -- except for one time," said former Cowboys executive Gil Brandt. "We were supposed to take Joe Montana (in the third round of the 1979 draft), but we had three veteran quarterbacks, and (then coach) Tom Landry said, 'I can't carry four quarterbacks.' So we took Doug Cosbie instead."

Cosbie was a decent tight end who was named to three Pro Bowls, but Montana was a Hall-of-Fame quarterback who won four Super Bowls.

Everyone knows the Chiefs need someone to replace Matt Cassel, but not with the first pick of the 2013 draft they don't. They can find one by trading out and moving down or by staying put and choosing a quarterback at the top of the second round, much as San Diego did in 2001. Instead of taking Michael Vick with the first selection, the Bolts that year traded the pick to Atlanta, then tapped running back LaDainian Tomlinson with the pick acquired from the Falcons and quarterback Drew Brees at the top of the second round.

The problem for Kansas City is that it chose the wrong year to bottom out. The 2012 draft was the time and place to find a quarterback with a high draft pick, with Luck and Robert Griffin III the first two choices. It's not just that they were the two best quarterbacks out there; it's that they were at or near the top of everyone's boards. So Indianapolis took the best player in the draft; Washington took the second best, and that's the way it's supposed to go.

Which means you can scratch Kansas City from choosing a quarterback with the first pick for one very important reason: That player should be the best player in the draft, and there's not a quarterback who qualifies.

ndws · 02-14-2013, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm

The people that advocate Joeckel or Star I simply ask....why?

WHY?!?

Neither of them improve this team at all...talk about wasting a pick.

I've yet to see a valid argument for either....because there isn't one.

I think the Joeckel stuff really hinges on Albert, his health, getting resigned, etc...

Star, I'm not overly opposed to. I'm about as ready to see Dorsey and Jackson on another team as I am Cassel and Quinn.

We have quite a few major needs, depending on how free agency pans out. I could be happy with a QB that they feel is the best, but I could be equally happy with Canty and Star coming to the DL and grabbing an QB at the top of the 2nd. At this point leading up to the draft, I'm not seeing that many QB's going off in the first round.

A QB would be my priority, but after the teams grades are realized and should none score that well, I would be good with the best player available.

Sorter · 02-14-2013, 02:24 PM

You realize that Landry Jones is the QB that's going to be available at the top of the 2nd?

Barkley, Wilson, Glennon, and Nassib are all probably going in the 1st round. Manuel could go too.

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 02:27 PM

I would be shocked if Nassib and Manuel go in the 1st.

I think they go in this order:

Geno
Wilson
Barkley
Glennon

The only exception might be the Raiders getting all horny for Glennon's arm and saying "**** it."

ndws · 02-14-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

You realize that Landry Jones is the QB that's going to be available at the top of the 2nd?

Barkley, Wilson, Glennon, and Nassib are all probably going in the 1st round. Manuel could go too.

Landry Jones would be horrible. I'm not a fan of Nassib either. Barkley, meh. Wilson would be worth the 2nd, and I wouldn't be opposed to Manuel in the 2nd either.

You really see 5 QB's going off in the first round of this year's draft? They might, but I would be extremely surprised.

PaulAllen · 02-14-2013, 02:30 PM

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Sorter · 02-14-2013, 02:33 PM

Teams that need QBs
Chiefs
Cards
Bills
Jets
Philly
Cleveland
Jags
Tampa

Of those teams, I could easily see
KC-Geno
Browns-Glennon
Arizona- Wilson
Bills-Nassib

I could then see teams like NYJ, Tampa, and even Minny taking a QB if they really wanted to. Minny should definitely snatch up Barkley if he falls that far IMO.

**The Franchise** · 02-14-2013, 02:47 PM

I see it like this...

Teams that NEED a QB:

Chiefs
Cards
Bills
Jets

Teams that could use another QB but it isn't an extreme need:

Eagles
Browns
Jaguars

Coogs · 02-14-2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

With the first choice you don't draft for need; you draft the best player out there. You go in one direction and one direction only, and that's for the sure thing. You absolutely, positively must be sold that whomever you choose steps in, starts and becomes the foundation of your franchise for the next 5-10 years.

So tell me which of these guys fits that description: Geno Smith? Matt Barkley? Tyler Wilson? Tyler Bray? All have holes in their games, and none is worth choosing with the first, second or third picks.

God this just ticks me off!

Got the 4th pick in the draft?

Let's roll with a QB!!! Great value at that point. Could be your QBotF!!!

Sorter · 02-14-2013, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I see it like this...

Teams that NEED a QB:

Chiefs
Cards
Bills
Jets

Teams that could use another QB but it isn't an extreme need:

Eagles
Browns
Jaguars

Yeah, that's probably how I should have organized it. I'd add Tampa, Minny, SD, and Oakland to the second group.

DJJasonp · 02-14-2013, 02:51 PM

I'm starting to think all these national pundits keep throwing out the "no worthy qb" drivel......because they want to see geno (or any other potential playmaker) land in the laps of a franchise (other than the chiefs) that the media is used to fellating on a regular basis.

Maybe Philly....Dallas.....Chicago.....or even worse, a raider resurgence???

Wake me when it's draft weekend

mr. tegu · 02-14-2013, 02:52 PM

Hammock Parties · 02-14-2013, 02:52 PM

Judge mocked us Decastro at #11 last year and Aaron Curry in 2009.

Fortunately both of his buddies have Geno at #1.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock

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htismaqe · 02-14-2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndws

I think the Joeckel stuff really hinges on Albert, his health, getting resigned, etc...

Albert passed a complete physical already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndws

Star, I'm not overly opposed to. I'm about as ready to see Dorsey and Jackson on another team as I am Cassel and Quinn.

You so ready to see them gone that you'd use the #1 pick on a guy that's basically THE SAME? That makes no sense.

htismaqe · 02-14-2013, 03:49 PM

Buddy Nix, the Buffalo GM, is absolutely IN LOVE with Glennon's arm.

I could see him going right then and there.

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