The Chiefs are good enough to give Andy Reid the Super Bowl he deserves

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'd prefer to turn up the heat and play more aggressively in the 1st half like the Broncos do but I won't argue with results.

What we've been doing has been working and working well.

Yeah, the Bronco d is just swarming and aggressive. It's fun to watch, but it's still the Broncos (****).

The Chiefs don't seem to play that way. It could be the other way though, that they dont' really trust the defensive backs and feel they need all the help they can get.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm interested to see what others think about this defensive strategy they're going with. They're rushing 4 alot early, dropping guys into coverage. Then get more aggressive later.

Before I give my thesis on it, whats everyone else think.

It's a rope-a-dope.

I mentioned it with regards to Houston last week, but it gives an effect of creating an extra rusher even when Houston doesn't go.

If Houston rushes every time, they put the double on him and you have 5-6 guys in coverage instead of 7. Whereas if they rush him then put him in coverage, then stunt with him then give him an edge to set, etc.... the O-Line doesn't really have a great plan for what to do with him. At the same time, they know they can't just put the RT on an island and pray that Houston doesn't come.

So they end up in a cat/mouse game where they often provide help to the right side and then Houston just doesn't go and they've wasted their protection adjustments (so, for instance, Jones or Ford can get theirs). In the process, Houston's out in coverage and passing lanes are tight.

Sutton's playing a chess match out there and just trying to stay ahead of coordinators and looking for advantages. Using those rushes more sparingly and then varying where they come from early in games gives OC's little to prepare/adjust to when the 4th comes and he mixes it up even more.

I kinda like it even if its unorthodox.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's a rope-a-dope.

I mentioned it with regards to Houston last week, but it gives an effect of creating an extra rusher even when Houston doesn't go.

If Houston rushes every time, they put the double on him and you have 5-6 guys in coverage instead of 7. Whereas if they rush him then put him in coverage, then stunt with him then give him an edge to set, etc.... the O-Line doesn't really have a great plan for what to do with him. At the same time, they know they can't just put the RT on an island and pray that Houston doesn't come.

So they end up in a cat/mouse game where they often provide help to the right side and then Houston just doesn't go and they've wasted their protection adjustments (so, for instance, Jones or Ford can get theirs). In the process, Houston's out in coverage and passing lanes are tight.

Sutton's playing a chess match out there and just trying to stay ahead of coordinators and looking for advantages. Using those rushes more sparingly and then varying where they come from early in games gives OC's little to prepare/adjust to when the 4th comes and he mixes it up even more.

I kinda like it even if its unorthodox.

Maybe, but thats kind of against what he did early here as a DC. Maybe he's evolved into it. I'm not sure.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe, but thats kind of against what he did early here as a DC. Maybe he's evolved into it. I'm not sure.

Everyone evolves. OC's started to find some holes in his exotic blitz schemes and he had to adjust back.

When teams didn't really know how to deal with those blitzes, he could keep calling them. But when there was enough tape to see how those could be exploited, he needed to do more to change things up.

Now he's doing what he can to avoid getting predictable and giving his opponent a chance to really get a feel for what he's trying to do. If teams start to exploit that (they will), he'll need to adjust again.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Everyone evolves. OC's started to find some holes in his exotic blitz schemes and he had to adjust back.

When teams didn't really know how to deal with those blitzes, he could keep calling them. But when there was enough tape to see how those could be exploited, he needed to do more to change things up.

Now he's doing what he can to avoid getting predictable and giving his opponent a chance to really get a feel for what he's trying to do. If teams start to exploit that (they will), he'll need to adjust again.

For sure.

But i think now, he just has better defensive players than you ahve offensive guys.

Berry not withstanding, they've got what, 4 guys who are legitimately all pro type guys on the field at different levels? Then guys like Parker, Bailey, Logan, Mitchell who are great fillers.

I dunno, I hate to lose Berry, it sucks. But if Nelson can come back and play well, guys keep improving and getting back, they look real nice.

I also want to mention how nice it is to see #50 out there healthy again.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm interested to see what others think about this defensive strategy they're going with. They're rushing 4 alot early, dropping guys into coverage. Then get more aggressive later.

Before I give my thesis on it, whats everyone else think.

You know it almost seems like the answer to this is also the answer to chiefzilla. We spend most of the first 3 quarters setting up the 4th quarter. Then we have a good idea how the opposition is going to react to what we have been doing all game to that point. Whether it be stunts on a pass rush or a double move to get deep as a WR. This is the way to win a chess match, sucker the other guy into making the wrong move that they do not even realize is wrong until after the game.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm interested to see what others think about this defensive strategy they're going with. They're rushing 4 alot early, dropping guys into coverage. Then get more aggressive later.

Before I give my thesis on it, whats everyone else think.

I'd be fine with it if that was what they are actually doing.

But there's a shit ton of 3 man rushes, and I absolutely hate that.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd be fine with it if that was what they are actually doing.

But there's a shit ton of 3 man rushes, and I absolutely hate that.

It's perfect for the redzone. When you have bulls up front like Chris Jones, Justin Houston, Allen Bailey and Bennie Logan you can afford to do that because each of those guys commands a double team.

The windows getting much smaller in the redzone, but 8v5 makes it even more difficult.

I would prefer to rush 4 on regular downs outside of the redzone.

[JakeF]

Story acts like the Chiefs and Andy Reid are separate things. If Andy Reid deserves a Superbowl then he will get himself a Superbowl. John Dorsey was great at adding talent too, Reid has no excuses.

[O.city]

See, I think they're really comfortable with their defensive back 7. Enough so taht they're content with rushing 4, dropping them and playing. Then once they get in certain scenarios they're able to do more exotic type things.

I dunno. It's working though.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

See, I think they're really comfortable with their defensive back 7. Enough so taht they're content with rushing 4, dropping them and playing. Then once they get in certain scenarios they're able to do more exotic type things.

I dunno. It's working though.

I think its more complicated than that because they continued to do with with Nelson and Berry injured. If you're 'comfortable' with a back 7 of Mitchell, Gaines, Sorenson, Parker, Murray, Peters and and DJ...well that's a little foolhardy. There are gaps to be found there with Sorenson's limitations, Murray's inexperience, Gaines general suck, Mitchell's aggression and DJ's age.

I think it's all about hiding your hand and/or keeping opposing coordinators guessing to create a competitive advantage.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think its more complicated than that because they continued to do with with Nelson and Berry injured. If you're 'comfortable' with a back 7 of Mitchell, Gaines, Sorenson, Parker, Murray, Peters and and DJ...well that's a little foolhardy. There are gaps to be found there with Sorenson's limitations, Murray's inexperience, Gaines general suck, Mitchell's aggression and DJ's age.

I think it's all about hiding your hand and/or keeping opposing coordinators guessing to create a competitive advantage.

Sorenson believeit or not played 100%of the defensive snaps vs the Eagles

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by penbrook

Sorenson believeit or not played 100%of the defensive snaps vs the Eagles

I believe it. He's a jack of all trades, master of none type of safety.

It's interesting to compare him to Parker, for example. Parker does one thing and does it well - he's an excellent coverage safety. I think he's a better pure coverage safety than even Berry is. But man, he pretty much sucks in run support.

Sorenson, OTOH, isn't excellent at anything. You can make an argument that he isn't particularly good at anything. But he's not really bad at anything either. He's adequate as a rusher and as a coverage player. He's a bit of a problem in the run game, IMO, but that's also because he played a lot of nickel LB and was given tougher matchups that way; I see nothing in his mentality or physical attributes that says he can't be an average run support safety.

Sorenson is a poor man's Berry. He plays a very similar style of game, he just doesn't play it nearly as well. Parker's nothing like that; he plays a completely different style.

So when Berry goes down, it's not surprising that a mad tinkerer like Sutton would want a swiss-army knife of a player like Sorenson on the field quite a bit. He can do a lot with him (isn't Sorenson also the guy that put the shot into Wentz on the blitz right up the gut, in addition to the flying flip?).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I believe it. He's a jack of all trades, master of none type of safety.

It's interesting to compare him to Parker, for example. Parker does one thing and does it well - he's an excellent coverage safety. I think he's a better pure coverage safety than even Berry is. But man, he pretty much sucks in run support.

Sorenson, OTOH, isn't excellent at anything. You can make an argument that he isn't particularly good at anything. But he's not really bad at anything either. He's adequate as a rusher and as a coverage player. He's a bit of a problem in the run game, IMO, but that's also because he played a lot of nickel LB and was given tougher matchups that way; I see nothing in his mentality or physical attributes that says he can't be an average run support safety.

Sorenson is a poor man's Berry. He plays a very similar style of game, he just doesn't play it nearly as well. Parker's nothing like that; he plays a completely different style.

So when Berry goes down, it's not surprising that a mad tinkerer like Sutton would want a swiss-army knife of a player like Sorenson on the field quite a bit. He can do a lot with him (isn't Sorenson also the guy that put the shot into Wentz on the blitz right up the gut, in addition to the flying flip?).

Yeah.

And I think you underrate Dan quite a bit.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I believe it. He's a jack of all trades, master of none type of safety.

It's interesting to compare him to Parker, for example. Parker does one thing and does it well - he's an excellent coverage safety. I think he's a better pure coverage safety than even Berry is. But man, he pretty much sucks in run support.

Sorenson, OTOH, isn't excellent at anything. You can make an argument that he isn't particularly good at anything. But he's not really bad at anything either. He's adequate as a rusher and as a coverage player. He's a bit of a problem in the run game, IMO, but that's also because he played a lot of nickel LB and was given tougher matchups that way; I see nothing in his mentality or physical attributes that says he can't be an average run support safety.

Sorenson is a poor man's Berry. He plays a very similar style of game, he just doesn't play it nearly as well. Parker's nothing like that; he plays a completely different style.

So when Berry goes down, it's not surprising that a mad tinkerer like Sutton would want a swiss-army knife of a player like Sorenson on the field quite a bit. He can do a lot with him (isn't Sorenson also the guy that put the shot into Wentz on the blitz right up the gut, in addition to the flying flip?).

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