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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-03-2015, 03:01 PM   #871
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Throw in Wil Myers while you're at it, because it would be pretty funny if Myers came back to KC with Shields and finally became the stud everyone envisioned.
It makes no sense, bit I'm still infatuated with the idea of bringing Myers back.
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Old 12-03-2015, 03:26 PM   #872
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He cried about playing CF, which is fine, but he is 24 and wants to sit his ass at 1B. Pathetic. He was a shitty fielder who dogged it, so he's rolling his old bones over to a spot normally reserved for old dogs. He's lazy and indisciplined in every facet of the game.


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Old 12-03-2015, 03:50 PM   #873
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But they're also taking on Infante's salary, no? So Shields and the $65 million he's owed over the next 3 seasons comes off the books (offset to $50 million for your cash kicker) but the $16 million Infante is owed over the next 2 comes back over.

So the Padres get $34 million in salary relief. They also only get 2 years of a replacement level player vs. 3 years of, what, 2.0-2.5 WAR/season pitching? Conservatively let's say Shields is probably a 2 WAR pitcher for the next 3 seasons, yielding a total of 6 WAR.

It's close. If I'm the Padres I probably don't make that deal because at the very least they're only dealing with a 3 year obligation. If you can get wins at 6 million/win share on a term of only 3 years, you're doing okay. Hell, most models put it at about $7 million/win now (and some even at $8 million per). Most of the time you'll have to take a substantially larger gamble than that by going to 4-5 years. I also think there's a decent chance that Shields is more of a 2.5 WAR pitcher over those 3 years, shifting the calculus pretty strongly against SD.

It would be an offer worth making, but if I'm SD, I wouldn't give the $15 million kicker. I figure if I'm taking on Infante, you're getting Shields for 3/$50 million (because I'm getting nothing back in Infante; dude is straight up replacement level). If Shields is a 2 WAR/season pitcher, you're looking at the higher side of the wins/season $$, but that would be expected due to the fairly short term.
Good point. I miscalculated there. KC would probably have to include a quality piece to make that work from San Diego's side. It also depends, I guess, on how desperate Preller is to shed that salary.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:43 PM   #874
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Good point. I miscalculated there. KC would probably have to include a quality piece to make that work from San Diego's side. It also depends, I guess, on how desperate Preller is to shed that salary.

Padres are desperate.
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I wonder if KC would consider a bad contract swap with San Diego, or Vice-Versa.

San Diego gets Infante plus a prospect of minor value, KC gets Shields and $15 million over the life of that deal.

KC gets a guy who can be a No. 3-type starter for three more years, San Diego gets $48 million in salary relief.
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Throw in Wil Myers while you're at it, because it would be pretty funny if Myers came back to KC with Shields and finally became the stud everyone envisioned.
And we can bring back Greinke, Soria and Beltran too. Too bad Affeldt retired. Oh yeah Bautista too. Then we can sit him on the Bench every day out of spite. Are you gonna be a douchenozzle again today Jose? THEN YOU SIT!
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-...s-city-royals/

Infante, Orlando, and Brian Flynn are currently projected as starters and all are projected to be 0 WAR (replacement) players. Obv we will sign some FA but this is as of today.
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They can have him. I'd rather we retain Young anyways.
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It makes no sense, bit I'm still infatuated with the idea of bringing Myers back.
The last two years have revealed just how far away Myers is from the Royals philosophy. Offensively, he is a power hitting bat who has struck out at a concerningly high rate for his entire career. His struggle to make consistent contact likely raised red flags with the Royals minor league scouting.

Even more concerning may have been Myers defense. His defense at both right and center have been atrocious in his young career. Put those struggles in Kauffman and we may have been pining for replacement level talent in right field.

I love Wil, and want him to succeed. His wrist problems (arising from a crazy outfield collision) are the worst thing that could have happened to a young hitter. However, it's now clear that his skill set may never been the right fit for the Royals. Kudos to Moore and his scouts for seeing that as he was coming through the pipeline.
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Pelfrey is weak. . Detroit can have him
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Pelfrey and Detroit's defense could be an interesting combination.

Detroit is really good up the middle with Kinsler and Iglesias, and really bad at the corners with Cabrera and Castellanos.

Martinez is also pretty bad.

He's a nice sixth starter signing, but yeah, I'd rather have Chris Young, personally.
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