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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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O.city · 02-17-2013, 01:03 PM

If he was that great of a prospect was he never bpa when the packers drafted? Why didn't they take him?

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If he was that great of a prospect was he never bpa when the packers drafted? Why didn't they take him?

Because you don't spend a 2nd round pick on a QB when you have Aaron Rodgers.

Marcellus · 02-17-2013, 01:06 PM

While I want us to draft Geno, I want it like babies want milk, I think it was Bill Parcells who said "Need is the worst talent evaluator".

I have to agree with that. We are starving for a QB, the new regime is looking at this as a long term deal.

I hope they have the balls to roll the dice.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Because you don't spend a 2nd round pick on a QB when you have Aaron Rodgers.

Then our front office lied cause they said they are drafting bpa with no regard to need or that's what I've been told

Jerm · 02-17-2013, 01:10 PM

Me and Matt Miller going at it on Twitter...he's still pimping the let Albert walk, trade for Alex Smith, and draft Joeckel scenario.

Ugh......

WhiteWhale · 02-17-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That is not saying that no one has separated himself.

Dorsey does clearly state exactly that.

He says no one guy stands out.

Brock · 02-17-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Me and Matt Miller going at it on Twitter...he's still pimping the let Albert walk, trade for Alex Smith, and draft Joeckel scenario.

Ugh......

@nfldraftscout.....lol, he is a wanker

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-17-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Me and Matt Miller going at it on Twitter...he's still pimping the let Albert walk, trade for Alex Smith, and draft Joeckel scenario.

Ugh......

It's not worth it. Just tell him that anyone that thinks that's a good idea is not worth arguing with.

Coogs · 02-17-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

what if, after all the evaluation, they decide that their guy is Nassib or Dysert or even Barkley and will be there in round 2?
What if they work a trade for Foles as well to hedge the bet?

I don't have a problem with it. I like Geno too, but I think Reid and Dorsey probably know a lot more about it than I do.

JMO.

We only have one pick in round 1. It happens to be the first pick.

We have one glaring hole on our team. It happens to be QB. There are other holes, but those holes are minor in comparison to the QB position.

We have a pissed off fan base. Clark is aware of that fact. Heads have rolled in response to that fact.

Dorsey and Reid must run their sales pitch by Clark for final approval.

Clark has to know an OT... or pretty much any other position other than QB is not going to move season tickets. QB at #1 sells tickets.

Reaching on a QB in round one and failing is going to provide far less fallout than passing on a QB in round one and having one of those QB's that we passed on turning into an NFL star attraction in another city. That would be a disaster for the new regime.

milkman · 02-17-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

While I want us to draft Geno, I want it like babies want milk, I think it was Bill Parcells who said "Need is the worst talent evaluator".

I have to agree with that. We are starving for a QB, the new regime is looking at this as a long term deal.

I hope they have the balls to roll the dice.

It comes to this AFAIC.

As SNR and others have discussed, there isn't any generational talent in this draf

So, at the end of the day, the best player available is the one that fills you biggest .

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think it was Bill Parcells who said "Need is the worst talent evaluator"

Meanwhile he passed on Matt Ryan to take Jake Long and was satisfied with Chad Henne.

Light the 'Hamas' Jenkins signal, Fat Bill needs an internet dressing down.

Marcellus · 02-17-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Meanwhile he passed on Matt Ryan to take Jake Long and was satisfied with Chad Henne.

Light the 'Hamas' Jenkins signal, Fat Bill needs an internet dressing down.

I am not a huge Parcells fan, but surely you understand the concept.

Need is a terrible talent evaluator. IMO Geno doesnt need any help to be the #1 pick but the thought process is solid.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-17-2013, 01:29 PM

Bill Parcells is a self-aggrandizing **** who owes his entire career to Lawrence Taylor and Bill Belichick.

Every team that doesn't have a franchise QB needs one, and every team that doesn't have one won't win, no matter what the accoutrement around the rest of the team.

Marcellus · 02-17-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bill Parcells is a self-aggrandizing **** who owes his entire career to Lawrence Taylor and Bill Belichick.

Every team that doesn't have a franchise QB needs one, and every team that doesn't have one won't win, no matter what the accoutrement around the rest of the team.

So you disagree that need causes teams to over value players sometimes?

Blain Gabbert ring a bell?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-17-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you disagree that need causes teams to over value players sometimes?

Blain Gabbert ring a bell?

Blaine Gabbert was considered by many to be the #1 QB in the draft. Mike Mayock, McShay, and Scott Wright all rated him ahead of Newton.

I hate this example because it's a textbook case of revisionist history. The only draftnik that hated him was Walter, and since it now looks like he's right, everyone is quick to scrub out the actual history for the preferred version.

tl;dr: stupid ****ing example.

You want a better one: Spithood, which, ironically, happened after the Chiefs traded back, thinking they could get their guy (Olshansky) in the process. That worked out great, eh?

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1729611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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