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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-02-2015, 02:35 PM   #826
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Jerry Crasnick on twitter saying the Royals may be priced out on Zobrist. Mentions the Mets, Nats, Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, Cards, Angels and Braves have all shown interest.

Still wouldn't be surprised if his contract is closer to Gordon's than people expect.
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Old 12-02-2015, 02:35 PM   #827
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Like I said, he's probably the worst pure receiving backstop I've ever seen.

The guy started catching in 2009. By 2012 he was the Cardinals backup catcher and getting pretty much zero playing time.

So he got 3 years of pretty intense training in the minors then he went to seed at the major league level as Yadi's caddy, where he got minimal playing time. He's caught all of 3,100 innings in his entire career, majors and minors. He didn't catch at all before the Cardinals converted him. So about 350 games worth of experience total behind the plate in his entire life. If you want to see what a guy with 3 full years of experience catching looks like behind the plate, Tony Cruz is your man.

The guy is awful. I can't speak to Butera but I absolutely can speak to Cruz and whatever Royals fans think they'll be getting from him....they won't. He's not good at anything.
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Old 12-02-2015, 02:42 PM   #828
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Like I said, he's probably the worst pure receiving backstop I've ever seen.

The guy started catching in 2009. By 2012 he was the Cardinals backup catcher and getting pretty much zero playing time.

So he got 3 years of pretty intense training in the minors then he went to seed at the major league level as Yadi's caddy, where he got minimal playing time. He's caught all of 3,100 innings in his entire career, majors and minors. He didn't catch at all before the Cardinals converted him. So about 350 games worth of experience total behind the plate in his entire life. If you want to see what a guy with 3 full years of experience catching looks like behind the plate, Tony Cruz is your man.

The guy is awful. I can't speak to Butera but I absolutely can speak to Cruz and whatever Royals fans think they'll be getting from him....they won't. He's not good at anything.
Butera is very good defensive catcher, but his batting is similar to just letting a pitcher bat. Cruz at least you can trust with a bat. Cardinals trouble was Cruz got used way too much mainly bc how the NL rules is setup. If you only played him once a week, the damage is minimal.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:00 PM   #829
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Butera is very good defensive catcher, but his batting is similar to just letting a pitcher bat. Cruz at least you can trust with a bat. Cardinals trouble was Cruz got used way too much mainly bc how the NL rules is setup. If you only played him once a week, the damage is minimal.
You can't trust Cruz with the bat, either. They had a virtually identical OPS last year and their K/BB rates are almost identical (Cruz a little less likely to strike out, Butera a little more likely to walk).

Cruz is horrible man. And I'm not saying this to shit on the Royals, this is purely shitting on Cruz. In 600+ ABs, Cruz has a WAR of -2.8 That's below replacement level, mind you. Not even 2.8 wins below average, which would be pretty damn impressive in only 630ish ABs. But nearly 3 wins below 'random guy plucked from any minor league system' in about a single season worth of plate appearances.

That's some seriously condensed suck right there. Butera's only a -1.7 in 850 plate appearances.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to really make a comparison between the two guys because I've seen Butera play maybe twice, but if you're saying that Butera was at least a sound defensive catcher, then he's a better player than Cruz. And if you just give a quick glance at WAR over their respective careers, it would seem to back that.

I'd keep Pete Kozma on the team over Tony Cruz and that's about the most damning thing I can say about a major league player. Yes, Tony Cruz is just that terrible.
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You can't trust Cruz with the bat, either. They had a virtually identical OPS last year and their K/BB rates are almost identical (Cruz a little less likely to strike out, Butera a little more likely to walk).

Cruz is horrible man. And I'm not saying this to shit on the Royals, this is purely shitting on Cruz. In 600+ ABs, Cruz has a WAR of -2.8 That's below replacement level, mind you. Not even 2.8 wins below average, which would be pretty damn impressive in only 630ish ABs. But nearly 3 wins below 'random guy plucked from any minor league system' in about a single season worth of plate appearances.

That's some seriously condensed suck right there. Butera's only a -1.7 in 850 plate appearances.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to really make a comparison between the two guys because I've seen Butera play maybe twice, but if you're saying that Butera was at least a sound defensive catcher, then he's a better player than Cruz. And if you just give a quick glance at WAR over their respective careers, it would seem to back that.

I'd keep Pete Kozma on the team over Tony Cruz and that's about the most damning thing I can say about a major league player. Yes, Tony Cruz is just that terrible.
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You can't trust Cruz with the bat, either. They had a virtually identical OPS last year and their K/BB rates are almost identical (Cruz a little less likely to strike out, Butera a little more likely to walk).

Cruz is horrible man. And I'm not saying this to shit on the Royals, this is purely shitting on Cruz. In 600+ ABs, Cruz has a WAR of -2.8 That's below replacement level, mind you. Not even 2.8 wins below average, which would be pretty damn impressive in only 630ish ABs. But nearly 3 wins below 'random guy plucked from any minor league system' in about a single season worth of plate appearances.

That's some seriously condensed suck right there. Butera's only a -1.7 in 850 plate appearances.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to really make a comparison between the two guys because I've seen Butera play maybe twice, but if you're saying that Butera was at least a sound defensive catcher, then he's a better player than Cruz. And if you just give a quick glance at WAR over their respective careers, it would seem to back that.

I'd keep Pete Kozma on the team over Tony Cruz and that's about the most damning thing I can say about a major league player. Yes, Tony Cruz is just that terrible.
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You can't trust Cruz with the bat, either. They had a virtually identical OPS last year and their K/BB rates are almost identical (Cruz a little less likely to strike out, Butera a little more likely to walk).

Cruz is horrible man. And I'm not saying this to shit on the Royals, this is purely shitting on Cruz. In 600+ ABs, Cruz has a WAR of -2.8 That's below replacement level, mind you. Not even 2.8 wins below average, which would be pretty damn impressive in only 630ish ABs. But nearly 3 wins below 'random guy plucked from any minor league system' in about a single season worth of plate appearances.

That's some seriously condensed suck right there. Butera's only a -1.7 in 850 plate appearances.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to really make a comparison between the two guys because I've seen Butera play maybe twice, but if you're saying that Butera was at least a sound defensive catcher, then he's a better player than Cruz. And if you just give a quick glance at WAR over their respective careers, it would seem to back that.

I'd keep Pete Kozma on the team over Tony Cruz and that's about the most damning thing I can say about a major league player. Yes, Tony Cruz is just that terrible.
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Rumor from where? Finding absolutely nothing about this anywhere.
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You can't trust Cruz with the bat, either. They had a virtually identical OPS last year and their K/BB rates are almost identical (Cruz a little less likely to strike out, Butera a little more likely to walk).

Cruz is horrible man. And I'm not saying this to shit on the Royals, this is purely shitting on Cruz. In 600+ ABs, Cruz has a WAR of -2.8 That's below replacement level, mind you. Not even 2.8 wins below average, which would be pretty damn impressive in only 630ish ABs. But nearly 3 wins below 'random guy plucked from any minor league system' in about a single season worth of plate appearances.

That's some seriously condensed suck right there. Butera's only a -1.7 in 850 plate appearances.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to really make a comparison between the two guys because I've seen Butera play maybe twice, but if you're saying that Butera was at least a sound defensive catcher, then he's a better player than Cruz. And if you just give a quick glance at WAR over their respective careers, it would seem to back that.

I'd keep Pete Kozma on the team over Tony Cruz and that's about the most damning thing I can say about a major league player. Yes, Tony Cruz is just that terrible.
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