Chiefs Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB - Page 55

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-17-2013, 10:36 AM

true. And remember; this was shot out of tiechers load-drenched asshole. So take with grain of salt.
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**Canofbier** · 02-17-2013, 10:43 AM

Decided to catch up on this thread beginning with this page and going backwards. I only made it two pages back before I quit.

In58men · 02-17-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier

Decided to catch up on this thread beginning with this page and going backwards. I only made it two pages back before I quit.

Well you're cool

mcaj22 · 02-17-2013, 11:07 AM

just like with Scooter, I give the GM a fair chance but when the red flags start popping up you have to document it, no different than the red flags in Scooters first year.

Dorsey still has a long chance to write the ship, but you dont come out saying something like taking indirect credit for Russel Wilson, get the ****ing hell out of here. If Russel Wilson was as good as Dorsey is slobbering over, he would have not fell past teams 2 to 3 times into the 3rd round.

Ill give this guy a chance, but if hes going to be a GM that strokes his own ego like that, well, the red flags will eventually pile up and we will be in year 3 and 4 and hating the guy no different than Scooter.

Dorsey still has a chance to right that ship with the first pick of the draft and prove me wrong, but this article does not do him any favors to separate himself from being a big turd.

prhom · 02-17-2013, 11:09 AM

I'm not so sure that Dorsey is saying there isn't a QB worth drafting high in this class, just that no one has stepped up and distinguished themselves from the rest yet. Perhaps after their evaluations and meetings they will find one that does stand out? I just don't read this as the nail in the coffin of taking a QB at #1.

philfree · 02-17-2013, 11:14 AM

This article doesn't say we aren't taking a QB #1. Seems to me it says that's what Reid and Dorsey want to do. Unfortunately it's not a bumper crop. These guys are going to evaluate this QB class as thorough as possible and by the time the draft rolls around they'll have themselves talked into one of these guys.

milkman · 02-17-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

Yay it's overreaction planet again.The combine and the pro days haven't even happened yet. It's the middle of February. I'll hold my outrage until something bad actually happens.

Funny thing about our over reactions through the years.

Seems we were right most of the time, proven by the fact that. We were a 2-14 team with the first pick in the draft.

Boondocksaint · 02-17-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You dont' get shit moron.

Explain to me your Foles love when he was an air raid Qb in college and in the shotgun 80% of the time last year? I thought you hated that shit?

Although on the brightside, as I've said many times, it looks liek we will be able to get Wilson a QB I like as well, in the third round.

Well first off our head coach drafted him so he knows the system and can step in a be the day one starter and secondly the Philadelphia fans are fond of him, yes the Philly fans really really like him so that says something in itself. I highly highly doubt we land Foles but I wouldn't be pissed if it would happen. If we could jus swap

HotCarl · 02-17-2013, 11:30 AM

More evidence we are in good hands with Dorsey. Thank goodness for competent leadership.

Coogs · 02-17-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by prhom

I'm not so sure that Dorsey is saying there isn't a QB worth drafting high in this class, just that no one has stepped up and distinguished themselves from the rest yet. Perhaps after their evaluations and meetings they will find one that does stand out? I just don't read this as the nail in the coffin of taking a QB at #1.

Same here.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-17-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl

More evidence we are in good hands with Dorsey. Thank goodness for competent leadership.

NDorseyscorner

**Canofbier** · 02-17-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

Well you're cool

WildTurkey · 02-17-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Funny thing about our over reactions through the years.

Seems we were right most of the time, proven by the fact that. We were a 2-14 team with the first pick in the draft.

I'm not going to hold a new regime who hasn't even drafted yet accountable for stuff done previously by different people in charge. Nothing has happened yet, I'm not going to go off the deep end because of a article in February. I believe the point of Dorsey's comments are more to the point of no qb has established himself as that can't miss guy yet,which is a hell of a lot different than "we're not taking a quarterback with #1". Ill wait for the official chiefs sign foles article to be pissed off.

**The Franchise** · 02-17-2013, 11:54 AM

You want to know why this team doesn't deserve a real QB? Because there are fans out there that think Tanney should get a shot.

PaulAllen · 02-17-2013, 11:54 AM

Who knows what will happen in two months, but when your GM (albeit brand new GM) says something like this to the media and effectively his fanbase, you can pretty much bank on it that hes trying to break it to us gently. With lube.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1739611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	just like with Scooter, I give the GM a fair chance but when the red flags start popping up you have to document it, no different than the red flags in Scooters first year. Dorsey still has a long chance to write the ship, but you dont come out saying something like taking indirect credit for Russel Wilson, get the ****ing hell out of here. If Russel Wilson was as good as Dorsey is slobbering over, he would have not fell past teams 2 to 3 times into the 3rd round. Ill give this guy a chance, but if hes going to be a GM that strokes his own ego like that, well, the red flags will eventually pile up and we will be in year 3 and 4 and hating the guy no different than Scooter. Dorsey still has a chance to right that ship with the first pick of the draft and prove me wrong, but this article does not do him any favors to separate himself from being a big turd.
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prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver Casino cash: $7946013	I'm not so sure that Dorsey is saying there isn't a QB worth drafting high in this class, just that no one has stepped up and distinguished themselves from the rest yet. Perhaps after their evaluations and meetings they will find one that does stand out? I just don't read this as the nail in the coffin of taking a QB at #1.
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PaulAllen Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $10004930	Who knows what will happen in two months, but when your GM (albeit brand new GM) says something like this to the media and effectively his fanbase, you can pretty much bank on it that hes trying to break it to us gently. With lube.
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