Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by splatbass

This would be a much better point if you hadn't repeatedly made the absolute statement that we must take a QB at #1 and nothing else.

You might HAVE a point if you weren't comparing what I think the Chiefs SHOULD do with what he thinks the Chiefs and other teams can and will do.

The statement that the Chiefs MUST draft a QB #1 is what they need to do TO MAKE ME HAPPY.

It's absolutely amazing that you'd even attempt this disingenuous bullshit.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's mean.

Several grown men that frequent this forum will be brought to tears.

No it is not mean, it's childish and stupid. It's absolutely a 4th grade mentality to hope the team acts in a certain way so you can rub fellow fans noses on their own opinions.

It was when you and others were doing it three years ago and it is now.

[ChiefRocka]

Originally Posted by BossChief

It's not speculation, whatsoever. I drive/travel a lot for work and listen to the herd daily and Colin just destroys Cam with stuff that he gets told first hand. Cam CAN'T learn a NFL play book, half the locker room hates him and he is a total me first athlete/person.

The guys with that makeup NEVER win anything.

It would take an epiphany for the guy to transform into a elite quarterback, or even a guy that can lead a team to playoff wins.

Not a chance I'd trade the top pick for him.

[Rasputin]

If he liked Russell Wilson so much why didn't the Pack draft him as BPA? Oh they have a QB maybe? Not much of a need.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tony77

No sir Im not wrong. Akili was overhyped also coming out played alot like geno also.

I hope you're not too down on Geno.

Nick Foles has ALL the same negatives. He's basically the same player, only without the high-end athletic talent.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What the **** is wrong with you?

You've been not just a cheerleader, but a ****ing dick to anyone and everyone that even suggests an alternative to Geno Smith. You've been raging at people as if your life depends on whether or not the Chiefs choose him.

It's not life or death. The Chiefs have ****ing sucked for 40 goddamned years and they're not likely to turn the corner anytime soon. I felt they had an opportunity in 2009 after firing Herm and amassing the best draft class in franchise history but they ****ed it up.

Right now, in 2013, there's nothing to **** up. If they get it right, they get it right. If they don't, it's just another season down the drain.

Drafting Geno Smith won't likely bring a championship to guys like Bowe, Hali, Albert, Charles or even Berry. He's a major project, which is a huge RISK at #1 overall because you can get a MAJOR PROJECT in round three.

I just don't get all the anger, all the divisiveness and all the dickish attitude.

You answered your own question.

You think Geno is a major project.

You're wrong. Simple as that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I watched two games: The K-State game, in which he looked like an over-matched Big 12 QB (like a Heupel, White etc.) and the Pinstripe Bowl, in which he looked like a overhyped, non-impressive QB.

My position has been clear for months: If Reid deems that Smith is worthy of #1 overall, I'm good with it. If Reid deems he's not worthy of #1 overall, I'm good with it.

I haven't seen enough to make a judgement but what I've seen has been ridiculously unimpressive, despite forum members attempting to tell me otherwise.

The mere fact that Dorsey and Reid said in their initial press conference that they WANT a franchise QB but may have to wait until 2014 to get him was telling. This interview, in which the GM of the Chiefs states that they need to hold individual workouts leads me to believe that they are just as confused and uncertain as everyone else that's evaluated these guys.

Well, outside of GoChiefs, SNR, BossChief and a few others. He's a ****ing Hall of Famer and if I even mention that he has no chance of being #1 overall let alone no chance of being a Super Bowl winning QB, I'm just being pissy and uninformed.

You have seen TWO GAMES.

Dude, if you were on the other side of this argument, fighting with someone who had only watched TWO WHOLE GAMES, you'd be absolutely ROASTING SHIT.

When did being "kinder and gentler" include becoming a massive hypocrite?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was harrassed by dozens of 'Planet members for my views on Cassel, ***** and Haley. I was told time again that "If you're so smart, why aren't YOU working for an NFL team" and much worse.



The point is that you have NO ACCESS to ANY of these guys. You ****ing watch YouTube clips, the same clips in which one member was excruciatingly tortured over his comments.

You have NO insight: You're a fan. Yet, you admonish people at will and act like a ****ing asshole to nearly everyone that disagrees with, even though your opinion is SHARED by the majority.

This isn't you against the world: This is you against "True Fans" or people with other ideas.

And if you're proven wrong, as I said late last year, there's going to be immediate hell to pay. Yet, you laughed.




Bullshit.

So at least you are being honest and admitting you're a hypocrite.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Perfect illustration:

Anti-Geno = Cassel fan.

Oh and by the way, **** You.

NOBODY HAS SAID THAT.

[htismaqe]

**** it.

I am broken.

This is the Chiefs. Might as well just give up.

You win Dane. Whatever they do is fine with me.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Pre-meltdown thread is impressive. 800 posts in 15 hours.... and it's February

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Originally Posted by bevischief

And how are you still here how?

Because your mother has internet access up on the first floor too?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

kotex thread is bloody.
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[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides.

Pre-meltdown thread is impressive. 800 posts in 15 hours.... and it's February

Yep, there's no fan like a Chiefs fan. The more we lose, the more we seem to post. Weird.

[WildTurkey]

Yay it's overreaction planet again.The combine and the pro days haven't even happened yet. It's the middle of February. I'll hold my outrage until something bad actually happens.