Dontari Poe: Deal Watch Thread

[Dante84]

ESPN's Ed Werder:

"His numbers have dropped off considerably in recent years, but he's still a unique player. As of last night, the Chiefs had been in contact with him, they were having negotiations, but they were not close to a deal. At that point, there was still no discussion if they would franchise him if they got the Berry deal done."

"The Berry deal give the Chiefs all the leverage in the world with Dontari Poe."


So, do we:

• Sign to an extension
  
• Franchise Tag
  
• Let him walk to FA

[Iconic]

< Let him go. Draft midround space eater. Gain cap room. Gain a third round pick.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by philfree

I like Howard but didn't he just miss most of this past season due to injury? But we should let Poe walk becsuse of his back which caused him to miss maybe a 1 game this year. Or did he just sit out a bunch of practices? To count on Howard to be the guy instead of Poe because of Poe's back seems kind of silly.

I must have missed where the Chiefs decided that they wouldn't pay Poe the 2/$10 million they're paying Howard.

The issue with Poe isn't the back injury in a vacuum, it's what the back injury has done to his ability to be an impact player. 2014 Poe is worth $13.6 million on a 1 year deal. The Poe we've had since his back acted up hasn't been.

This isn't just about the player, it's about the player and the $$$$.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I must have missed where the Chiefs decided that they wouldn't pay Poe the 2/$10 million they're paying Howard.

The issue with Poe isn't the back injury in a vacuum, it's what the back injury has done to his ability to be an impact player. 2014 Poe is worth $13.6 million on a 1 year deal. The Poe we've had since his back acted up hasn't been.

This isn't just about the player, it's about the player and the $$$$.

Yeah but counting on Howard to take over seems risky at this point. If Poe is gone then we better find another NT. Between Poe, Howard and Bailey there are questions concerning each players health. Poe is the only one of the three that finished the season. WE do have Nunez-Roaches but he was part of the unit that gave up all those rushing yards so as solid as we looked on the D line before last season now we have lots of questions.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Black Bob

So can Poe. He played DE in college.



He didnt come back. That is bullshit. Howard had a hip injury that should have taken 1-3 weeks to heal. They expected him to play and he didn't. They held off on putting him on IR for a long time because he should have come back.

Poe has played through way worse.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jayehoward/2533006/gamelogs

Ok technically he didn't "come back", but he did play one game through the injury, and THEN he was placed on IR. I know for a fact the first week he showed up on the injury report with a "hip" he played. It wasn't till after that game that he was placed on IR. So, he did in fact play hurt

Also, how the **** do you know how long it should have taken him to heal? They never actually announced the extent of the injury, so again I'm calling bullshit.

[Black Bob]

I researched hip injuries. This is stupid and it's time to move on. Don't get me wrong, I like Howard. I just think Poe is much more valuable and worthy of a contract.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Let's consider this for a second. When the Broncos defense turned into a monster in 2015, they were doing it with Malik Jackson and Derek Wolfe on the interior. That's a really nice duo, but I think that you can argue that a Chris Jones/Allen Bailey combo is just as good or better.

Jeeze, I wish our defense could turn the corner like that. It would be our only hope to go the distance in 2017.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Let's consider this for a second. When the Broncos defense turned into a monster in 2015, they were doing it with Malik Jackson and Derek Wolfe on the interior. That's a really nice duo, but I think that you can argue that a Chris Jones/Allen Bailey combo is just as good or better.

Jeeze, I wish our defense could turn the corner like that. It would be our only hope to go the distance in 2017.

Shut yo mouth! Alex is going to take us to the promise land! He might actually average 1 touchdown a game this year!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Let's consider this for a second. When the Broncos defense turned into a monster in 2015, they were doing it with Malik Jackson and Derek Wolfe on the interior. That's a really nice duo, but I think that you can argue that a Chris Jones/Allen Bailey combo is just as good or better.

Jeeze, I wish our defense could turn the corner like that. It would be our only hope to go the distance in 2017.

Mitchell's not as good as Talib and Houston's not as reliable as Miller.

A lot of the rest of that defense can go nose to nose with the Bronco's elite version, but when our elite playmaker can't get on the field and they have a #2 CB that's on par with our #1 guy (I hate it, but Harris and Talib are really goddamn good), that's a pretty obvious distinction between the respective squads.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mitchell's not as good as Talib and Houston's not as reliable as Miller.

A lot of the rest of that defense can go nose to nose with the Bronco's elite version, but when our elite playmaker can't get on the field and they have a #2 CB that's on par with our #1 guy (I hate it, but Harris and Talib are really goddamn good), that's a pretty obvious distinction between the respective squads.

I was just thinking the exact same things when I posted that. But, I like our safeties better. We need Mitchell to pick up where he left off, and the Chiefs would be wise to invest in corner in some way this offseason because we are an injury away from being completely trashed at the position.

We all know the deal with Houston. I don't question his ability to do what Miller can do, but will he be on the field to do it? We also need Ford to come out hungry and performing again, which he's got millions of reasons to do so as he tries to earn a huge contract.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

In a deep CB/S draft like this one coming, I think KC should seriously consider drafting one in the 2nd-3rd rounds. It is a much bigger need than some seem to acknowledge it as.

Maybe not in terms of starters, but the depth there is not very good. The talking heads say that starting corners can be found in the 4th round this year. The way that we depend on good corner play, there is no reason to go into the season expecting Peters, Mitchell, and Nelson to be enough. Mitchell is also a FA next year, though I don't know if he is restricted or not.

EDIT: Mitchell is a RFA in 2018, so not a huge dilemma there.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mitchell's not as good as Talib and Houston's not as reliable as Miller.

A lot of the rest of that defense can go nose to nose with the Bronco's elite version, but when our elite playmaker can't get on the field and they have a #2 CB that's on par with our #1 guy (I hate it, but Harris and Talib are really goddamn good), that's a pretty obvious distinction between the respective squads.

Not to mention they have a round 1 pick playing Nickel because of those 2 in Roby, who is flipping outstanding. The Broncos secondary is A+, best in the NFL and its not close.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Not to mention they have a round 1 pick playing Nickel because of those 2 in Roby, who is flipping outstanding. The Broncos secondary is A+, best in the NFL and its not close.

All the more reason to be looking hard at CB in the 2nd or 3rd round. We could very well find a day one starter, someone to compete for a starting job if nothing else and quality depth.

[DomCasual]

He is destined to be a Bronco. I remember this one time, when the Chiefs decided they didn't want this guy on the defensive line.

That. Was. Awesome!

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

He is destined to be a Bronco. I remember this one time, when the Chiefs decided they didn't want this guy on the defensive line.

That. Was. Awesome!

A better comparison would be Keith Traylor.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mitchell's not as good as Talib and Houston's not as reliable as Miller.

A lot of the rest of that defense can go nose to nose with the Bronco's elite version, but when our elite playmaker can't get on the field and they have a #2 CB that's on par with our #1 guy (I hate it, but Harris and Talib are really goddamn good), that's a pretty obvious distinction between the respective squads.

We have much better safeties and Dline