WalterFootball mocks 2016

[the Talking Can]

Because it's never too early...

Oct. 10

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State

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The Alex Smith experiment has to end now. Smith's struggles haven't all been his fault, but it's clear by now that he's not the answer. He is a weak-armed quarterback who never takes chances downfield. Kansas City needs to move on from him.

I keep bouncing back and forth between Connor Cook and and Jared Goff as the No. 1 quarterback. Goff just had a poor showing, so I'll move Cook into the top spot, though it's 50-50 right now. Cook has some accuracy and consistency issues that NFL teams are legitimately worried about.

34. Kansas City Chiefs: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU

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Like the Jaguars, Kansas City could be moving on from its 2013 first-round choice. Eric Fisher not only has been terrible; he's been a wuss as well, failing to play through simple injuries.

66. Kansas City Chiefs: Landon Turner, G, North Carolina

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Back-to-back offensive linemen for a head coach who loves bolstering the trenches? Makes sense to me. The Chiefs, as mentioned earlier, need major upgrades up front.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

3 main reasons why CB is the most important position heading into the draft:

1. Lack of quality depth at the position. God help this team if Peters goes down w/ an injury and misses a couple wks (or perhaps more). Sean Smith is a Raider and where in the hell was 3rd rd pick Steven Nelson last season? Guy was invisible last season. Then you have Gaines, who is so injury prone that you can't help but to think he's going to get injured at some point in the season for a significant amount of time. Do Reid and Dorsey really think he's ready to take over as the #2? Surely not. I would hope not. The Chiefs resigned Flemming. He's nothing better than a 3 or 4 corner in dime/quarter packages.

2. Justin Houston's absence. He's going to miss the season, or at least a good portion of it by the time he's back at 100% taking full contact. I just don't think there's any way Reid and Dorsey rush his recovery. They'l allow him to take his time to fully recover. Having that said while Houston is gone our pass rush is going to suffer a great deal unless Dee Ford just suddenly turns it on and Hali dials up some old man strength. The better the front 7 does the better the secondary will be. Not having Houston will result in our db's covering more ground for more seconds, giving QB's more time to find their receivers.

3. The Raiders and Chargers will be better next season. Peyton Manning is no longer a thorn in the Chiefs' side, but Denver still has Thomas at WR, and Rivers will get Keenan Allen and others back and Derek Carr/Raiders are getting better, and they've probably had the best offseason thus far. If they hit a couple HR's in the draft they might be a force to deal with. Cooper will be better and Crabtree is probably the best #2 WR in the NFL. I fully believe in countering other divisional rivals moves. If the division improves at QB and WR, then you have to draft pass rushers and DB's. Off topic here, but this is a make or break yr for Dee Ford. Chiefs will soon have to make the choice if they plan on having him in their future plans. Other than a couple games, he's pretty much been a dud. Looks like he'll get his chance this season to prove people wrong.

Did you miss Dorsey say he "absolutely" expects to have Houston back early?

[DJ's left nut]

CoMo misses pretty much everything.

After CoMo's prognosticating, I'm not convinced that Gaines will be healthy all year, Houston will be at full speed by October and the Raiders will go 4-12.

If CoMo believes something, it's best to believe the opposite. Every few years there's a thread created of his greatest hits and its uncanny how universally inaccurate the guy is.

[The Franchise]

I'm picking like this....and I'm giving our 3rd rounder back....and taking away a 5th.

1. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
2. Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma
3. Artie Burns, CB, Miami
4. K.J. Dillon, S, West Virginia
5. Landon Turner, G, North Carolina

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm picking like this....and I'm giving our 3rd rounder back....and taking away a 5th.

1. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
2. Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma
3. Artie Burns, CB, Miami
4. K.J. Dillon, S, West Virginia
5. Landon Turner, G, North Carolina

I'd JIMP, but Burns won't make it out the 2nd IMO.

[O.city]

I feel like I've jumped the fence, but I'd rather go elsewhere in the first than lynch.

Love the sheppard puck, I think he'd be the 2nd best wr on our squad from day 1.

[jonzie04]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I'd JIMP, but Burns won't make it out the 2nd IMO.

seems like a pipe dream, though stranger things have happened.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jonzie04

seems like a pipe dream, though stranger things have happened.

He's Mayock's #3 CB.

Daniel Jeremiah has us taking him in the 1st in his latest mock.

Matt Miller claims 3 teams have Burns ahead of Alexander with a late 1st round grade.

A lot of signs pointing to him being an early 2nd rounder at worst. If he's sitting there at our 2nd, I'm taking him before I take a WR (assuming we don't take a corner in the 1st).

[O.city]

Guys like burns that climb once the pro days and combine scare me a little. He is pretty raw to expect to step in and play that well right away.

I am not against drafting him but it's a little scary.

I think my cb preference would be

Jackson
Apple
Alexander


Burns

[RealSNR]

Can see a lot of people calling Burns a bust when he doesn't get on the field his rookie year just like Nelson

[O.city]

I like Alexander alot. Student of the game, physical, smart etc.

I think he'd be good accross from peters

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Guys like burns that climb once the pro days and combine scare me a little. He is pretty raw to expect to step in and play that well right away.

I am not against drafting him but it's a little scary.

I think my cb preference would be

Jackson
Apple
Alexander


Burns

But is he climbing after the combine/pro day, or is the media just now starting to catch on to how NFL teams view him?

I don't know what we could have learned from the combine/pro day that we didn't know already.

Him running in the low 4.4s surprised nobody in NFL circles. He's a track star going back to HS.

The bottom line is when NFL coaches/personell guys see a long CB with great speed, and ball skills, they trust their ability to develop him. Especially in a scheme like ours.

The past 10 years, I've watched Hurricanes prospect after hurricanes prospect go on to have much better NFL careers than college, and this guy is near the top of the list. The coaching this guy will receive from Al Harris and Emmit Thomas is immensely better than what he received at Miami, and he will be better from that alone day 1.

[staylor26]

To be clear though, I would still take Alexander if I had my choice.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But is he climbing after the combine/pro day, or is the media just now starting to catch on to how NFL teams view him?

I don't know what we could have learned from the combine/pro day that we didn't know already.

Him running in the low 4.4s surprised nobody in NFL circles. He's a track star going back to HS.

The bottom line is when NFL coaches/personell guys see a long CB with great speed, and ball skills, they trust their ability to develop him. Especially in a scheme like ours.

The past 10 years, I've watched Hurricanes prospect after hurricanes prospect go on to have much better NFL careers than college, and this guy is near the top of the list. The coaching this guy will receive from Al Harris and Emmit Thomas is immensely better than what he received at Miami, and he will be better from that alone day 1.

Not of that is wrong, but that's the kind of prospect I'd feel more comfortable with taking round 2 or 3.

Big floor ceiling difference for a first rounder

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not of that is wrong, but that's the kind of prospect I'd feel more comfortable with taking round 2 or 3.

Big floor ceiling difference for a first rounder

This is often the spot-on difference between a first and second rounder. Oftentimes a second round guy will have the same ceiling as a first rounder, but a much lower floor.

That's why there was so much railing against the Mitch Morse pick; it didn't fit the conventional mold of a second round pick. He was a safer pick that didn't have that big-time upside you often see in 2nd rounders (well, at least he didn't appear to at the time).

Burns looks to me like a dead-on mid-2nd. The problem is that he'll almost certainly be gone before we get a shot at him in the late 2nd. And as I've said many times over - I'm hugely opposed to trade-downs out of the first unless you can get at least a 2nd for your troubles because I think the value of that 5th year option is enormous given the rise in the FA $$ pool and salary floor that keeps the market flush in cash every year.

If some team wanted to jump from the early 2nd into the late 1st to try to snag Paxton Lynch away from Denver, A) I'd be tempted to just take Lynch but B) if they'd give me next year's 2nd and a 4th this season, I'd consider it. I wouldn't take anything less than that though and I'd be very reluctant to move down more than 10 spots.

If I can't get that, the question is whether or not I like Burns enough to decide that he's worth the 'reach' knowing that I won't get him otherwise. For me the answer is probably not, but it would depend on how the board has gone to that point. At this point it would be virtually impossible to convince me to go DL in the first; just too much depth there. If the other guys I really like are gone by the end of the 1st, I could potentially talk myself into it.

I still think I'd prefer Fuller though, provided that the medicals check out and I'm convinced injuries messed up his '15.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is often the spot-on difference between a first and second rounder. Oftentimes a second round guy will have the same ceiling as a first rounder, but a much lower floor.

That's why there was so much railing against the Mitch Morse pick; it didn't fit the conventional mold of a second round pick. He was a safer pick that didn't have that big-time upside you often see in 2nd rounders (well, at least he didn't appear to at the time).

Burns looks to me like a dead-on mid-2nd. The problem is that he'll almost certainly be gone before we get a shot at him in the late 2nd. And as I've said many times over - I'm hugely opposed to trade-downs out of the first unless you can get at least a 2nd for your troubles because I think the value of that 5th year option is enormous given the rise in the FA $$ pool and salary floor that keeps the market flush in cash every year.

If some team wanted to jump from the early 2nd into the late 1st to try to snag Paxton Lynch away from Denver, A) I'd be tempted to just take Lynch but B) if they'd give me next year's 2nd and a 4th this season, I'd consider it. I wouldn't take anything less than that though and I'd be very reluctant to move down more than 10 spots.

If I can't get that, the question is whether or not I like Burns enough to decide that he's worth the 'reach' knowing that I won't get him otherwise. For me the answer is probably not, but it would depend on how the board has gone to that point. At this point it would be virtually impossible to convince me to go DL in the first; just too much depth there. If the other guys I really like are gone by the end of the 1st, I could potentially talk myself into it.

I still think I'd prefer Fuller though, provided that the medicals check out and I'm convinced injuries messed up his '15.

Kind if where I was going there. Although with the dl, I think some of the guys at our pick are gonna end up pretty freaking good.