Chiefs' defense is on its way to being historically bad

[oaklandhater]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...storically-bad



CINCINNATI -- In an effort to figure out how historically bad this year’s Kansas City Chiefs defense is trending to be, I found something it has already done that defenses run by Greg Robinson and Romeo Crennel never did.

That alone makes it bad.

The Chiefs have allowed 30 or more points in three straight games within a season for the second time in franchise history. The other time was in 1987 but that one comes with a huge asterisk. The Chiefs used replacement players during the labor strike for two of those games.

The Chiefs have allowed 321 yards passing in each of their last two games. That’s an incredible stat considering they haven’t led during either game and the opponent didn’t have to throw. The Packers and Bengals just found it so easy they didn’t want to stop.

You could say the Chiefs were ripped the last two weeks by the two top-rated quarterbacks in the league, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton. That’s true, but that’s still an unusual happening in Chiefs history. They’ve allowed 321-plus passing yards in three straight games twice and 321-plus in two straight games two other times.

But it’s the points where the Chiefs are truly embarrassing themselves. They are on a pace to allow exactly 500, which would blow away the franchise record of 440, set by the 2008 Chiefs.

That team, by the way, finished 2-14.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by New World Order

DJ is old and was hurt last year.


On top of all that we have an idiot defensive coordinator. I think the majority (including me) on this board thought with the return of Sean Smith the secondary would look better.

Well, it didn't.

If gaines was still out there I think our d would look better

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sutton can't be the scapegoat for three years of offensive line failure and Red zone failures yet again

No....Heck can take care of that for him.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by jonzie04

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

Hali is an old man that has nothing left. Have you noticed how terrible he's been in run defense? No containment on outside runs at all. I've really yet to form an opinion of Berry as I hardly ever hear his name called during a game. One thing is for certain. With Hali falling off a cliff, Houston has to generate a pass-rush all by himself. That's not possible and that's why there's no pressure. No pressure=burnt secondary

[jonzie04]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

Obviously Sutton plays a big role, and he is putting a lot of his guys in position to fail, and he isn't putting guys in position to succeed. Branch covering Cobb in the slot, Berry being the single high safety vs being the box safety which is what got him first team all pro honors.. Parker our saftey with the most range, who also can't tackle playing in the box, Hali playing man coverage against a 4.5 TE, Our only edge rusher worth a hoot (Houston) dropping back on obvious passing downs etc. But in the end of the day our so called pro bowlers aren't even playing at an average level... They all have legitimate reasons, but it's the gods honest truth. And that is not Suttons fault.
DJ is old and is coming off an achilles injury. Hali is old, Poe was average last year, and he's coming off a back injury, Berry just had a cancer a few months ago.

You can blame Sutton for a hell of a lot of things, but you cant blame him for Hali not contaning the edge on literally every outside play to his side. You can't blame him for Poe getting blown off the ball, and not getting any sort of pass rush what so ever. You can't blame him for DJ getting blocked out of plays, whiffing on tackles, and getting burnt in coverage by running backs. You can't blame him for our entire secondary offering 0 run support. You can't blame him Allen Bailey getting blown off the ball, and getting 2 pressures on the QB all game.

[jonzie04]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Hali is an old man that has nothing left. Have you noticed how terrible he's been in run defense? No containment on outside runs at all. I've really yet to form an opinion of Berry as I hardly ever hear his name called during a game. One thing is for certain. With Hali falling off a cliff, Houston has to generate a pass-rush all by himself. That's not possible and that's why there's no pressure. No pressure=burnt secondary

EVERY SINGLE FREAKING PLAY.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

- 2003 ravens balanced teams win championships

[bevischief]

Never go full reerun and they have reached that point.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by bevischief

Never go full reerun and they have reached that point.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

Ballgame. Good night folks, drive safely.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The NFL is a collectively conservative organization.

If Alex Smith has such ardent defenders here and in other NFL fan discussion venues in spite of his obvious deficiencies, then you have to believe that pro personnel guys and coaches inside and outside of Kansas City think that Smith isn't the problem we know him to be. In their minds, there is more value in chasing good money after bad by investing in draft picks for the offensive line and defense and spending FA cash to receivers in order to make Smith look serviceable.

You truly cannot go a single thread without bleeding all over the place about Smith, can you.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

The Seahawks allowed 8 points in the Super Bowl, so you're obviously missing something here. This is extremely disingenuous.

Yes you have to be able to score points... but this theory that offense is all that matters isn't right. When Aaron Rodgers won, he had a top 5 defense. He hasn't since, and how many titles has he won? The Patriots had the 8th ranked defense last year. The Seahawks have had one of the best defenses in modern history the last two years.

And even the teams that won with poor defensive seasons played well in the playoffs. The 2011 Giants were terrible on defense during the year, but allowed 14 ppg in the playoffs. The 2006 Colts were awful on defense, they got eviscerated by Jacksonville at the end of the regular season. In the playoffs they allowed 16 ppg and shut down the Chiefs and Ravens. This idea you can win shootouts every week isn't right. Even the 99 Rams won the NFC title game 11-6. At some point your defense has to step up and carry a game. Anyone who watched about 4 seconds of the Vermeil era should know this.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Pretty sure he said playoffs and/or SB.

You have to win those 28-24 games to get to the SB.

And FWIW, Rodgers helped create that Top 5 defense because teams were regularly playing from way behind.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Poe and Hali are complete garbage in the pass rush department this year.

Poe was rushed back, easy to see he's not 100%.

Hali is slowing down, but the effort is still there, he was constantly harassing fivehead, and laid the best hit of the night on him... he was great that game.

Lets atleast blame the right people for whats going on