Grading Dorsey's Trades with the Chiefs

[Dante84]

To date, here are the trades made under Dorsey’s reign…

1. Chiefs trade 2013 and 2014 second-round picks to 49ers for quarterback Alex Smith: The picks would eventually become wide receivers Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer. While both had some hype coming out of college, neither has been particularly productive in the NFL. Smith, meanwhile, has led the Chiefs to their first, back-to-back winning seasons since ’05 and ’06. Winner: Chiefs

2. Chiefs trade cornerback Javier Arenas to Cardinals for fullback Anthony Sherman: Arenas became a depth and role player for the Cardinals for one year before being let go. He spent 2014 in Atlanta and is currently a free agent. Sherman has been one of the best fullbacks in the NFL over the last two years. Winner: Chiefs

3. Chiefs trade linebacker Edgar Jones and 2014 seventh-round pick to Cowboys for 2014 sixth-round pick: The Cowboys used the pick on another linebacker, Will Smith. Neither Jones or Smith is still on the Dallas roster. The Chiefs used their pick on Zach Fulton, who started at offensive guard for the entire 2014 NFL season, and may reprise that role this year. Winner: Chiefs

4. Chiefs trade offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for defensive back Kelcie McCray: Johnson has bounced around training camps since the trade (five teams in under a year). McCray was a valuable special teams player. He is in the mix again this year. Winner: Chiefs

5. Chiefs trade 2015 fifth-round pick to Saints for Ben Grubbs: The Saints would use this pick on defensive tackle Tyeler Davison. The Saints would also later sign Chiefs guard Mike McGlynn. Grubbs is the only guaranteed starter on the Kansas City offensive line at this point. Winner: TBD…but hard to imagine it won’t be the Chiefs.

6. Chiefs trade 2015 third- and sixth-round picks to Vikings for 2015 third-round pick: The picks the Chiefs gave up turned into cornerback Alex Carter and defensive end BJ Dubose. The Chiefs used their acquired pick on wide receiver Chris Conley. The results of this trade will play out over the next year or so. Winner: TBD

By no means is this a large number of trades. The Chiefs have actually been one of the least likely teams to try and move around in the draft. However, when talking about player-for-player trades, Dorsey has resurrected a practice that had largely been abandoned by the rest of the league. Dorsey also shows a penchant for moving picks for players. And in each case except the Edgar Jones trade, the move was made with the intent of acquiring a specific player. And so far, that list shows that Dorsey knows exactly what he’s doing every time he makes a trade. Dorsey understands how to use his assets to obtain better options for the team.

The truly interesting trend of Dorsey’s trading habits is that he has made a player-for-player trade in each of the first two seasons of his tenure. While that is hardly a long enough stretch to make any scientific prediction, it does lend some credence to the idea that Kansas City will look to do the same this year. And why not? If you have a player that might not make the team, or is just wasting cap space on your depth chart, why not try to move him for someone that may have more of an impact?

Dorsey has touched on this before. Prior to the draft, when asked about moving picks, the Chiefs general manager said: “We have called around to express interest just to let everybody know we can talk…Let’s have an open line of communication. Whatever you have to offer, let’s talk about it.”

While that was specifically a reference to trading picks, it has been pretty obvious that he has the same policy across the board. Shortly before that interview, Dorsey had just locked up a trade with the Saints that brought Grubbs to Kansas City.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman's best season was 3,445 yards, 23 TD's and 14 interceptions.

His career average per game was 199 yards.

Yet people are convinced that Alex Smith, who has had very similar, if not better, numbers the past four seasons can't win a Super Bowl???

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman's best season was 3,445 yards, 23 TD's and 14 interceptions.

His career average per game was 199 yards.

Yet people are convinced that Alex Smith, who has had very similar, if not better, numbers the past four seasons can't win a Super Bowl???

I don't recall Troy being as timid or conservative as Alex, but it's been a few years, I admit.

[Sandy Vagina]

Troy was silver spooned with a fantastic supporting cast, and still put up unremarkable stats.

[CoMoChief]

Should have sucked for Luck. This will always come back to haunt the Chiefs. Indy is gonna continue to wipe their asses w/ us in the playoffs just like they have for the last 20 ****ing yrs. This is the "Passing on Dan Marino" kind of mistake that will make you sit back for another decade or so and wonder what if.

There's absolutely no argument for not doing that. We probably would have gone to the SB last year and would be contenders this year, next, next and so on had we sucked for Luck. I mean **** we were starting Tyler Palko for god's sake. That's the one thing I liked Haley for was that he knew Luck would be waiting for him gift wrapped at #1 pick the year's next draft. Pioli shit all over that plan with Orton and all of that bullshit w/ hiring another yes man in Romeo and more Cassel BS. You know how ****ing good this team would be w/ Andrew Luck?

But we're the Chiefs...we didn't suck for Luck, but instead the year we do get the #1 overall pick we have the choice between a bunch of nobody's..or at least no one really deserving of the #1 overall pick. Can you believe that kind of shitty luck?

This team is cursed...I dont believe this franchise will ever again have a true legit franchise QB.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman's best season was 3,445 yards, 23 TD's and 14 interceptions.

His career average per game was 199 yards.

Yet people are convinced that Alex Smith, who has had very similar, if not better, numbers the past four seasons can't win a Super Bowl???

Kind of hard to compare different era's of football like that. The game in the early 90s was nothing like the game today.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Kind of hard to compare different era's of football like that. The game in the early 90s was nothing like the game today.

Sure it was. Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, John Elway and others were throwing it all over the yard.

In the end, well balanced teams were the most successful teams.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Should have sucked for Luck.

...

There's absolutely no argument for not doing that.

Well, there is the argument that no GM and head coach have ever gone to a team in the NFL and said "Hey guys.. would you play like shit for the next four weeks so we lose every game?"

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Well, there is the argument that no GM and head coach have ever gone to a team in the NFL and said "Hey guys.. would you play like shit for the next four weeks so we lose every game?"

"Win a few to keep our jobs" was the motto.

[milkman]

Comparing Smith to Aikman?

Holy ****!

Stats mean jack.

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by milkman

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

It is far more moronic and ignorant to pretend that the two had the same comforts to get to where they did. Aikman was afforded a great OL, RB, consistent scheme, and weapons to throw to. He was well set up to manage games to great success.

[Halfcan]

The only grade that should matter is Zero playoff wins. Fail-TBD

[ILChief]

Who was it here that lost their mind when we traded Arenas for Sherman?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Who was it here that lost their mind when we traded Arenas for Sherman?

don't recall... but I really liked the trade. Not that I had any real issue with Arenas.. but that I thought Sherman would be the great FB he is.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by milkman

Comparing Smith to Aikman?

Holy ****!

Stats mean jack.

If you watched Aikman and you watch Smith and somehow reached the conclusion that they are comaparable, then you are a ****ing moron.

You are far, far too generous.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Who was it here that lost their mind when we traded Arenas for Sherman?

I didn't like the trade because it made no sense at the time.

IIRC, we basically had Jalil Brown and Brandon Flowers at CB and Dorsey came in and traded a serviceable nickel guy away for a FB when we had just drafted a FB in the 5th round.