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Old 03-09-2015, 04:54 PM  
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Dorsey vs Pioli, What Say You Now?
It's been a rather interesting couple of weeks. I think it started with the Houston situation where a bunch of you folks felt that Dorsey was a doofus because he didn't lock Houston up last year. Then, I heard, Dorsey sucked because he overpaid Bowe. Then, at least initially, the sky was falling because he didn't wrap up Hudson last year. Then, he had the audacity to sign Mauga and Avant.

Now, we hear that guys are cutting their salaries in order to play for (can you believe it) the Chiefs!

Wasn't much of that happening back when Scooter was chasing candy wrappers, shutting blinds and placing the entire organization on Matt Cassel's rather narrow shoulders.

So, I ask, what say you now? (This is where you can actually say GOOD things about the guys running this outfit now.)
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:35 PM   #61
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:08 PM   #62
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Dorsey seems nice
Is SR back? He's nice.
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:19 PM   #63
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How could you claim that they managed the cap excellently with a straight face? They had to eat dead money on the deals with Bowe, Mays, and Walker, the Mauga signing was horrible, and DeVito is wildly overpaid.

Also, lumping "OL" in as a single position is disingenuous. The Chiefs are worse at every single position on the OL than they were in 2013. Every single one.

Dorsey has proven he can build a mediocre team. He hasn't yet proven he can build a good one.
Who cares how "dead money" they have to eat? The team went from utter dogshit to respectable overnight.

The failure of the offensive line is Pioli's fault. He spent two 2nd's and two 3rd's, which resulted in 3 out 4 players that been average at best, which is probably generous.

Signing Albert would have been a momentous mistake, Schwartz played in two games and Asamoah is garbage.

And LOL at Mauga being a horrible signing. Good ****ing Christ on a lollipop, no team can have superstars at every position.
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:24 PM   #64
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:48 PM   #65
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Who cares how "dead money" they have to eat? The team went from utter dogshit to respectable overnight.

The failure of the offensive line is Pioli's fault. He spent two 2nd's and two 3rd's, which resulted in 3 out 4 players that been average at best, which is probably generous.

Signing Albert would have been a momentous mistake, Schwartz played in two games and Asamoah is garbage.

And LOL at Mauga being a horrible signing. Good ****ing Christ on a lollipop, no team can have superstars at every position.
Mauga's a horrible signing because they paid a guy who is practice squad fodder $8 million over three years. A dollar over the vet minimum is an overpay for that guy.

The failure of the OL is not Pioli's fault. Hell, he acquired the only OL we had worth a damn. Dorsey spent the #1 overall pick on a soft bitch from a MAC school. If Fisher was a 4th rounder, he would have already been cut. Allen and Asamoah weren't much, but they were a hell of a lot better than the trash we walked out at guard, and tackle, last year.

And you should care about dead money because every dollar you blow on a dead contract is a dollar you can't roll over.
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:52 PM   #66
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I don't think even at Dorsey's perceived worst did anybody ever say that he was worse than Pioli.
This is not true at all. I read that several times this offseason.

I believe Discuss Thrower and ReeRun were both on that wagon.
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:53 PM   #67
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I said I didn't like their cap management year 1 which includes bowe and devito. Nitpicking over about 10m for 3 players for 1 year of play plus dead money to cut? That's the definition of picky considering they shed well over 50m in contracts the past 2 years.

While everyone insisted we sign Schwartz, Albert plus add desean and Byrd, the Chiefs added I think less than 15m in contracts minus Alex Smith. It helped clean our cap big time and probably landed us 4 comp picks. This year, he's set to shed a lot of bad contracts without taking nearly the massive hit in dead money that was expected.

If you're going position by position, fine. We upgraded at two safety spots, 2 corner, DE, 2 rb, Fb, te, k, kr/pr, wr 1, possibly wr 2 (wilson) , utility wr, qb. We have true depth at almost all of these positions.

We downgraded at center (maybe), left tackle, and right guard (maybe). We stayed flat at olb and punter, replaced a good 1 cb with a good 1cb. We didn't add depth at olb, nt, or OL.

The plusses outweigh the minuses by a ton. And that's including depth. That's not even including special teams.
You did not upgrade Eric Berry's spot. They added depth to the spot. They also did not upgrade DE. Allen Bailey was already here. Mike DeVito added little to nothing. The GM does not get credit when the young talent that was already here improved.

The Chiefs should have improved a lot. They spent a lot of money and had the #1 overall pick.

They certainly have not improved to the extent one should deem Dorsey's job as praiseworthy given all the assets they've spent to this point.
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Dorsey is now the messiah because Tamba is Tamba and maclin got super paid ?

Calm down people they haven't done shit yet
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:59 PM   #69
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Dorsey is now the messiah because Tamba is Tamba and maclin got super paid ?

Calm down people they haven't done shit yet
Well that and he has won 20 games in 2 years after inheriting a 2-14 team.
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Playoffs ... Epic playoff collapse that will live on forever as the standard for bedshitting

Pioli and Haley won the division and lost at home at least to save people gas money
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Playoffs ... Epic playoff collapse that will live on forever as the standard for bedshitting

Pioli and Haley won the division and lost at home at least to save people gas money
I know, I know, Dorsey blew that huge lead after 5 starters got hurt etc....

Aside from injury Reid is to blame for that loss ultimately and the fact is, Dorsey didn't hire Reid so that argument is just dumb.
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I know, I know, Dorsey blew that huge lead after 5 starters got hurt etc....

Aside from injury Reid is to blame for that loss ultimately and the fact is, Dorsey didn't hire Reid so that argument is just dumb.
Our starters got removed by cocksmack refs lol

Still though, ShowMe !
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You did not upgrade Eric Berry's spot. They added depth to the spot. They also did not upgrade DE. Allen Bailey was already here. Mike DeVito added little to nothing. The GM does not get credit when the young talent that was already here improved.

The Chiefs should have improved a lot. They spent a lot of money and had the #1 overall pick.

They certainly have not improved to the extent one should deem Dorsey's job as praiseworthy given all the assets they've spent to this point.
With a healthy dj and berry, this is an elite defense and they did it against a brutal schedule. We have an elite running game. Good playmakers in kelce and DAT. Excellent special teams. Quality depth (a rarity for kc). This year, we look like we will also improve at wr.

Two years ago, we made the playoffs and were called a fluke because of the schedule. Last year, we went over. 500 despite devastating losses on defense and OL against a brutal schedule. This year, we are adding maclin and have 11 picks in the draft. I guess I find it a little narrow minded to say we haven't improved just because 1 or 2 positions haven't improved.
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