PFT: Chiefs, Houston to try again this week

[Dante84]

Chiefs, Houston to try again this week
Posted by Mike Florio on February 15, 2015, 10:44 AM EST

In the past, the Chiefs and linebacker Justin Houston have tried, without success, to work out a new contract. In the near future, they’ll try again.

Per a league source, the Chiefs and Houston’s agent, Joel Segal, will make another attempt early in the week at making progress on a long-term deal. The Chiefs are expected to apply the franchise tag to Houston, who racked up 22 sacks in 2014, absent an agreement.

Houston had been expected to sign the franchise tender immediately. It’s possible that a new strategy will emerge if the coming talks fail to result in Houston receiving the kind of contract he believes he deserves.

Let's hope they can get this thing buttoned up.


UPDATE:

Chiefs, Houston to talk Tuesday

As expected, the Chiefs and linebacker Justin Houston will make one last effort to work out a long-term deal, before Kansas City applies the franchise tag.

Per a league source, Chiefs G.M. John Dorsey and Houston’s agent, Joel Segal, are scheduled to meet on Tuesday in Indianapolis to discuss a long-term deal for the man who racked up 22.0 sacks in 2014.

Previously, Houston’s plan was to immediately sign the franchise tender if/when the Chiefs apply it. Now, Houston may have a different plan in mind, if a long-term deal isn’t worked out.

The Chiefs cleared some cap space on Tuesday by dumping receiver Donnie Avery and receiver A.J. Jenkins. That could be used to pay Houston on a long-term deal, or it could be used to fund his one-year franchise tag.

I'm assuming this means next Tuesday, Feb. 24th.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Franchises that want to win keep young elite players at key positions who aren't locker room problems, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which being it tells other players - whether they're future draft picks, future free agents or guys currently on the roster - that the franchise values and rewards performance.

The last half of that is an extremely important point that hasnt been mentioned yet.

"If these guys wont even take care of Justin Houston, are they actually going to take care of me?"

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

I’m told the #Chiefs aren’t expected to use the franchise tag on Houston before the meeting with his representative this week.

I’m also told there’s been no decision on whether to sign the franchise tag, if issued. If Houston does, it means a cap hit of $13M or so

[RunKC]

Does Sac realize that he's using the NFL's 2 best secondaries in this argument?

NE-Browner, Revis, McCourty, Chung
SEA-Thomas, Kam, Sherman, Maxwell

These teams have outstanding coverage players on their team. Even at LB guys like Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright and Jamie Collins can cover ground.

We don't have that. This system requires pressure and Houston delivers. Pay the ****ing man his money and be done with it.

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

The #Chiefs will indeed meet with Justin Houston’s agent at the combine this week, a league source confirms.

[Hoover]

Sign the man!

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Sure you do, but the problem with giving one guy the lion's share of the money means that a team is most likely going to be suffering in those other aspects because you have to low ball the remaining players in order to keep your team under the cap. It also effectively hamstrings the one All-Star because teams can now strategize for a singular player versus 11 guys.

53 dudes. The better all 53 dudes are is ultimately better than having a singular superstar, especially if that guy isn't a QB.

Look, I understand the importance of having a guy like Houston on the team and it's obvious that his impact was important in the success that the Chiefs had on defense this past season. However, he's coming off his rookie deal and it's going to cost a metric shit ton to have him equal that same level of production that the Chiefs just got on the cheap.

I know people say "Pay the man, he earned it!," but by doing so, you are going to significantly alter the dynamic of the team's salary cap and what they can do in terms of building the team to a playoff/championship level organization.

As well, having one guy that's not the QB get a lion's share of the payroll will create some level of derision on the team.

In addition, they just spent a first round pick on Dee Ford. Rather than pay Houston a king's ransom, I'd sooner like to see them actually use that first round pick and shore up the secondary and inside linebacker positions versus having to continue to shuffle out guys like Mays and Mauga and Owens and the like. I'll take 70% players at all positions versus a 99% player at one and 35%'ers everywhere else.

Well then, let's just let Justin Houston ****ing walk away. Gotta spread that money! JFC. What a terrible idea.

[RealSNR]

What Sac is arguing for is balance across all positions on defense, and that includes depth.

Re-signing a stud pass rusher to a large contract doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the pursuit of that balance on the team, nor does it mean a stud pass rusher on a mediocre team means you don't need to keep those stud players on your roster when you draft them.

The Chiefs made the playoffs with Damon Huard playing half of the season and with Herm Edwards as the head coach. They trade away Jared Allen the next year and go 4-12.

I don't believe that's a coincidence. Make no mistake about it-- Justin Houston is a crucial component to this team who deserves to be paid the 2nd or 3rd highest contract for a defensive player in this league.

Because he's worth it.

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by SNR

What Sac is arguing for is balance across all positions on defense, and that includes depth.

Re-signing a stud pass rusher to a large contract doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the pursuit of that balance on the team, nor does it mean a stud pass rusher on a mediocre team means you don't need to keep those stud players on your roster when you draft them.

The Chiefs made the playoffs with Damon Huard playing half of the season and with Herm Edwards as the head coach. They trade away Jared Allen the next year and go 4-12.

I don't believe that's a coincidence. Make no mistake about it-- Justin Houston is a crucial component to this team who deserves to be paid the 2nd or 3rd highest contract for a defensive player in this league.

Because he's worth it.

I understand he's arguing for balance and depth. I like that. But like you said, a guy like Justin Houston is worth every penny.

To let him go in pursuit of that balance and depth is absurd.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Does Sac realize that he's using the NFL's 2 best secondaries in this argument?

NE-Browner, Revis, McCourty, Chung
SEA-Thomas, Kam, Sherman, Maxwell

These teams have outstanding coverage players on their team. Even at LB guys like Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright and Jamie Collins can cover ground.

We don't have that. This system requires pressure and Houston delivers. Pay the ****ing man his money and be done with it.

Exactly. You build your team to your own strengths. Trying to copy someone else is dumb, especially when that someone has Tom Brady and Belichick.

[Mother****erJones]

Is penbrook chiefsandosfan? Seems like it

[Chief_For_Life58]

Def tag him. See what he does next season then back the brinks up if he's worth it

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by TimBone

I understand he's arguing for balance and depth. I like that. But like you said, a guy like Justin Houston is worth every penny.

To let him go in pursuit of that balance and depth is absurd.

I don't know what Sac's dollar limit on Houston is, but it's probably much lower than what the Chiefs are willing to pay at this time.

It's the same thing as Alex Smith right now: there are better QBs out there SOMEwhere, but until you find where they are and get them on your roster, you have to keep what you have.

That's a line of logic that Sac advocated for rather cavalierly last offseason when it came to Alex Smith. He was mostly right, too, and I'm shocked that he's not seeing the same thing when it comes to Houston.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

How many sacks did the sack leaders for the Patriots and the Seahawks have?

How many playoff wins do Derrick Thomas and Jared Allen have?

If you can bring constant pressure from a myriad of sources, it's irrelevant that you have a "sack master" on your defense. Totally overrated statistic that is the defensive version of total passing yardage by a QB. (Dan Marino or Matt Stafford anyone?)

You don't cripple a team by paying a guy an exorbitant sum of money to make 1.5 tackles for loss a game in his best season.

If Houston doesn't agree to a reasonable hometown contract such as what A. Smith did for his position, I'd be happy to have the 2015 season start with Dee Ford at the position. First round draft pick and all...

Being the 10th highest paid QB (when you're about the 20th best QB) is a reasonable hometown contract?

You don't cripple a team by paying guys who produce, you cripple a team by paying a bottom third QB Top 10 money.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Is penbrook chiefsandosfan? Seems like it

ChiefsandO'sfan knew how to embed tweets and post links.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

We're just going to have to disagree.

Answer me this, would the Texans be better off without Watt, could they fill his on-field production and emotional leadership with 2-3 average guys?

If you ran that team, would you have let him go instead of giving him that big contract?

Yep.