Chiefs CP weighs in- thoughts on a trade for RG3 - Page 5

Dante84 · 03:59 PM

BUMP EDIT - This thread is from last year

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Spoiler!

Updated/New Post:
Okay, so rumor is they are trying to trade him now.

Obviously our #3 played very well. If Chase gets traded to a QB needy team for 2nd or 3rd, what are your thoughts on bringing RG3 in as our backup for a late round pick (6th, 7th)?

Is he salvageable, or did the Redskins ruin him?

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58

Because it happens all the time in the nfl. Coaches try to fit square pegs in round holes. Reid is not that guy. He adjusts his plan to fit the player and that could be a game changer for RG3 even from the bench

Square peg? You're acting like RG3 does something well.

News flash, he doesn't do anything well at all.

Sucks in the pocket.

Can't read defenses.

Can't find 5 wide open players in 1 play.

Can't scramble.

Poor accuracy.

Poor throwing mechanics.

He just plain sucks and it has nothing to do with the "right system".

Just look at this:

Was RG3 unsuccessful on this play because the system doesn't fit his strengths? Because the coaching staff doesn't know how to maximize his strengths? Or, maybe, it's just because he isn't even passable as a starter.

Maybe they need to get WRs who can get open by 10 yards instead of 6 and an OL that can block for 10 seconds and never allow any DL players to even get close to RG3.

RunKC · 11-26-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Square peg? You're acting like RG3 does something well.

News flash, he doesn't do anything well at all.

Sucks in the pocket.

Can't read defenses.

Can't find 5 wide open players in 1 play.

Can't scramble.

Poor accuracy.

Poor throwing mechanics.

He just plain sucks and it has nothing to do with the "right system".

Just look at this:

Was RG3 unsuccessful on this play because the system doesn't fit his strengths? Because the coaching staff doesn't know how to maximize his strengths? Or, maybe, it's just because he isn't even passable as a starter.

Maybe they need to get WRs who can get open by 10 yards instead of 6 and an OL that can block for 10 seconds and never allow any DL players to even get close to RG3.

Valid point but I think he runs bc HE wants to make the play and HE wants to be the hero.

He's an egomaniac.

**Rain Man** · 11-26-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I'd be down for this but I don't think our team will be and here's why.

Say we bring RG3 in on incredible value for what he was picked up in, in the first place. What message are we sending to the team if we are bringing in another veteran qb? It's not like we would be drafting a qb and grooming him as our own, we would be making the same mistake most ppl in this thread say we do every 5 years which is take someone else's trash off there hands. I don't mind bringing in RG3 but alot of ppl here agreeing to the same thing are going against what they have preached time and time again, but go figure it's the Alex haters that are saying to bring him in, which means the hate for Alex goes deeper than not drafting our own qb in round 1 or 2.

So second point. If we bring in rg3 that could cause a rift between Alex and the coaches so I just don't see us making the move. If anything you usually want to bring in a rookie to learn, not someone who is trying to start and could cause more of a disturbance than help if he doesn't start (rg3)

I wouldn't want to bring in anybody who's a locker room problem, so I'll state that first.

But beyond that, I really don't subscribe to the "never bring in competition for your quarterback" approach. I think the QB should be treated like any other position. You bring in people to compete for the job and the best one wins. Even if the same guy wins year in and year out, it's the best way to have a good backup behind him.

**wazu** · 11-26-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Square peg? You're acting like RG3 does something well.

News flash, he doesn't do anything well at all.

Sucks in the pocket.

Can't read defenses.

Can't find 5 wide open players in 1 play.

Can't scramble.

Poor accuracy.

Poor throwing mechanics.

He just plain sucks and it has nothing to do with the "right system".

Amazing how a guy that sucks that bad can, while starting 15 games during his rookie year, put up a 102.4 passer rating while rushing for another 800 yards and 7 TDs.

Dante84 · 11-26-2014, 03:52 PM

Oldschool, not disagreeing, but how do you explain his rookie year?

15 games, 3200 yards, 20tds, 5ints, 102QBR, 30 sacks(yikes!)

Is he not capable of putting those numbers up again, or how did he do it in the first place if he is so awful?

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Valid point but I think he runs bc HE wants to make the play and HE wants to be the hero.

He's an egomaniac.

Listen to Chris Cooley's podcast breaking down RG3 vs the Bucs. He thinks that RG3 has the yips.

FlaChief58 · 11-26-2014, 03:54 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one NTTAWWT. I just think that there is hope for him and if the price is right, I'd love to see what Reid can do with him.

BlackOp · 11-26-2014, 03:56 PM

Crennel wanted to have his babies...I bet he goes to the Texans.

ThaVirus · 11-26-2014, 03:56 PM

He had a shit load of potential coming into the league. The offense the Skins ran his first season had a ton of screens designed to get the ball out as quickly as possibly without him having to think too much.

Unfortunately, that injury just destroyed him. Now that they're asking him to do more as far as the playbook is concerned, he just can't get it done.

It really was a lot of his own doing, though. Apparently the guy thinks he's invincible. He takes the hardest hits of any player I can remember watching.

FlaChief58 · 11-26-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Valid point but I think he runs bc HE wants to make the play and HE wants to be the hero.

He's an egomaniac.

Good coaching can fix that

Dante84 · 11-26-2014, 04:00 PM

Again, I think Reid can coach the shit out of him.

For a 4th or 5th, in a year where we have like 15 picks, I do it.

**** Chase Daniel.

BigCatDaddy · 11-26-2014, 04:02 PM

The injuries are a major concern so I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. However, Im sure Reid could coach him to at least get the production he gets out of Alex which obviously isn't much.

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Amazing how a guy that sucks that bad can, while starting 15 games during his rookie year, put up a 102.4 passer rating while rushing for another 800 yards and 7 TDs.

There are a countless number of players at different positions who "light up" the league their first year or two starting and then fade into obscurity. Does the name Damon Huard ring a bell for you? Derek Anderson? Matt Cassel?

Defenses figured RG3 out, on top of his injury, and he is now nothing in the league. It's that simple. Every coach has this saying and we've heard it from numerous Chiefs players, "you are either getting better or you are getting worse, you never stay the same". It's pretty clear which direction that RG3 has been going.

What separates the good/great QBs from those like RG3 is the ability to adapt and continue to produce even when defenses have "figured you out". That's what ultimately separates a starting quality QB from a career backup.

OldSchool · 11-26-2014, 04:09 PM

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Based on conversations with the Redskins' old coaching staff, ESPN's Steve Young stated that he knows Robert Griffin III "doesn't put the time in."
"I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks," Young said. "He doesn’t put the time in." Current Redskins coach Jay Gruden all but confirmed Young's comments by recently stating Griffin has "fundamental flaws" and his footwork is "not even close" to where it needs to be. On Wednesday, Gruden continued to dance around the topic and paint a rose-colored picture. "He could do more probably," Gruden acknowledged, "[but] he studies himself and he comes back with ideas the following day. Whether he's here or not, there's a lot of work you can do. ... I really think he works hard at it. He puts his work in." Dan Snyder will probably have to decide between RG3 and Gruden this offseason.

That's as a starter. What makes you think that RG3 will put in the time as a back-up? If he "prepares like he is the starter" like he has been doing so far in his career, he'll never develop.

That's if he can get over his yips (according to Cooley).

**notorious** · 11-26-2014, 04:11 PM

Get him in a stable environment with a scheme that doesn't force QB runs and he will be fine.

11-26-2014, 02:12 PM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1531996 VARSITY	CP weighs in- thoughts on a trade for RG3 BUMP EDIT - This thread is from last year Original Post: Spoiler! Facts: - He has not played well - ~~He has not been surrounded by talent~~ - me being dumb. - He has not had consistent, great coaching or organizational structure - He has a huge arm - He is more mobile than most nfl qb's even after his knee injuries Guys on espn just said he may get dealt for a 4th or 5th. If that's the price, I would love to use one of our bazillion picks on the former heisman winner. He sits behind Alex for two years, learns Reid's offense and understands the value of making smart football decisions. He would cost very little thanks to the rookie wage scale and his now de-valued second contract. If it doesn't pan out, oh well. I love the idea. Updated/New Post: Okay, so rumor is they are trying to trade him now. Obviously our #3 played very well. If Chase gets traded to a QB needy team for 2nd or 3rd, what are your thoughts on bringing RG3 in as our backup for a late round pick (6th, 7th)? Is he salvageable, or did the Redskins ruin him? Last edited by Dante84; 08-30-2015 at 03:59 PM..
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11-26-2014, 03:52 PM	#65
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1531996 VARSITY	Oldschool, not disagreeing, but how do you explain his rookie year? 15 games, 3200 yards, 20tds, 5ints, 102QBR, 30 sacks(yikes!) Is he not capable of putting those numbers up again, or how did he do it in the first place if he is so awful? __________________ ..
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11-26-2014, 03:54 PM	#67
FlaChief58 SuperChiefs Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Florida Casino cash: $1999822	We'll have to agree to disagree on this one NTTAWWT. I just think that there is hope for him and if the price is right, I'd love to see what Reid can do with him.
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11-26-2014, 03:56 PM	#68
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5865267	Crennel wanted to have his babies...I bet he goes to the Texans.
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ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1822369	He had a shit load of potential coming into the league. The offense the Skins ran his first season had a ton of screens designed to get the ball out as quickly as possibly without him having to think too much. Unfortunately, that injury just destroyed him. Now that they're asking him to do more as far as the playbook is concerned, he just can't get it done. It really was a lot of his own doing, though. Apparently the guy thinks he's invincible. He takes the hardest hits of any player I can remember watching.
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11-26-2014, 04:00 PM	#71
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1531996 VARSITY	Again, I think Reid can coach the shit out of him. For a 4th or 5th, in a year where we have like 15 picks, I do it. **** Chase Daniel. __________________ ..
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BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $1759122	The injuries are a major concern so I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. However, Im sure Reid could coach him to at least get the production he gets out of Alex which obviously isn't much.
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