Music Ozzy: Being in a band is dying art - Page 5

Deberg_1990 · 10-20-2014, 04:28 PM

Do you agree?

Ozzy Osbourne says the rise of technology in music means bands are losing the ability to jam and shape ideas together.

And the Black Sabbath icon – who's the subject of a free TeamRock iPad supplement – has first-hand experience of the phenomenon.

Ozzy tells Noisey.com: “The computer age is taking over and there's a lot of trickery. I've actually seen guys in bands. You go, 'Do you want to jam?' and they go, 'Jam? What's that?' Just playing anything together. They can't do it. 'I'll have to consult my computer first.' The art of being in a band is dying.”

The singer says he's always proud when another musician is influenced by Sabbath – and he doesn't just mean by the music.

He says: “I have people at Ozzfest going, 'Man, if it wasn't for Sabbath... we owe you so much.' I go, 'What part of this is influenced by Sabbath?' I get where they're coming from but it's not the music, it's what it says to the people.

“Metal has never had any rules. If you want me to do something, tell me not to. I've never played by any rules. My sole concern is to get on that stage and give the audience a great day out. I want to give my heart and soul when I play, and that's God's honest truth.”

Ozzy recently released his retrospective set Memoirs Of A Madman – after revealing that Sabbath are gearing up to record their final album next year.

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news...d-is-dying-art

**Reaper16** · 10-21-2014, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

And Metallica's Death Magnetic is the nadir of the loud essential wars - unlistenable.

You can find audio files of Death Magnetic that were re-mastered for the video game Guitar Hero III. It's an underrated album when there's actual dynamic range going on.

splatbass · 10-21-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

You mean...you needed an actual guitar player.

Yes, and we didn't find any under 30. We are all experienced pros, and we needed someone that didn't need us to hold his hand the whole time.

We need players that know how to improvise, that know scales, that know when you tell them the chord progression is 1-2-5 what you are talking about. That when we have a guest show up and ask him to sit in with us on stage can follow his song even if we don't know it, and do it well enough that the people watching don't know we've never played the song before.

Young musicians just don't do this kind of stuff anymore.

For example, in another band our guitar player quit and we needed someone for a gig in less than a week. This lead guitar player stepped up and learned the songs and did very well.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Yes, and we didn't find any under 30. We are all experienced pros, and we needed someone that didn't need us to hold his hand the whole time.

We need players that know how to improvise, that know scales, that know when you tell them the chord progression is 1-2-5 what you are talking about. That when we have a guest show up and ask him to sit in with us on stage can follow his song even if we don't know it, and do it well enough that the people watching don't know we've never played the song before.

Young musicians just don't do this kind of stuff anymore.

For example, in another band our guitar player quit and we needed someone for a gig in less than a week. This lead guitar player stepped up and learned the songs and did very well.

Nice!!

We've had to do that with drummers...but it's way way easier with drummers than...anybody else hahaha.

I don't think I could be in a band without Ryan at this point. It doesn't sound appealing to me.

But if you ever need a sub (guitar or bass) hit me up. I play them blues and rock and rolls...

Edit : obviously you wouldn't need a bass player, but I can improvise over a minor pentatonic on guitar

**Bob Dole** · 10-21-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Everything vocal is auto-tuned and most of the music is electronic. We're probably not far away from having holographic "musicians" who don't actually exist performing "live" on stage at concerts.

Hatsune Miku

rabblerouser · 10-21-2014, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Hatsune Miku

God bless you.

Or gesundheit, whatever you prefer.

lcarus · 10-21-2014, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm only kidding - he certainly knew how to brand himself - he's no dummy, ok, maybe NOW he is - but - I liked Diary of a Madman - but I was only like 13 so I didn't really know music that well. I was in to Iron Maiden mostly - at that time, which is hilarious looking back.

Both Iron Maiden, Sabbath, and Ozzy are still good to listen to.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Both Iron Maiden, Sabbath, and Ozzy are still good to listen to.

I like all 3.

splatbass · 10-21-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Nice!!

We've had to do that with drummers...but it's way way easier with drummers than...anybody else hahaha.

I don't think I could be in a band without Ryan at this point. It doesn't sound appealing to me.

But if you ever need a sub (guitar or bass) hit me up. I play them blues and rock and rolls...

Edit : obviously you wouldn't need a bass player, but I can improvise over a minor pentatonic on guitar

Cool. I'll have to check out your links when I get home from work.

**MahiMike** · 10-21-2014, 10:41 AM

Ozzy is right. Good old fashioned musicians that play real instruments are only found at blues concerts.

PunkinDrublic · 10-21-2014, 10:45 AM

Where's the incentive to learn to play an instrument and start a band. Kids don't want to be broke touring the county in a van and not making any money. It's so much easier to make shitty EDM music on a laptop.

**Dave Lane** · 10-21-2014, 10:55 AM

How the **** would he know? He's not even from this planet anymore

rabblerouser · 10-21-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Where's the incentive to learn to play an instrument and start a band. Kids don't want to be broke touring the county in a van and not making any money. It's so much easier to make shitty EDM music on a laptop.

The incentive is to transcend your 'self' and make great music with people you care about.

It's so true that it's a cliche...but if you want to make money, don't become a professional musician.

Become an engineer. Or a computer software designer.

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Cool. I'll have to check out your links when I get home from work.

Right on.

**Easy 6** · 10-21-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

As a musician for 40 years - gigging for 30 - I agree with him. I have worked with young guys that can't play anything unless they can find the tabs for it online. We were auditioning one guitar player and I showed him the chords, then said during the guitar solo just play something in E minor pentatonic and he looked at me like I was asking him to perform brain surgery. He literally couldn't play anything on his own, and couldn't learn music by ear.

Everyone should know the most common scale in rock music. Everyone should be able to improvise something simple using it. But a lot of musicians under 30 can't. Most don't even know the most common jam, the 12 bar blues.

And why should they? I watch bands on late night talk shows and a lot of them can barely play. Talent and skill are no longer required.

Are you sure you're responding to the right poster? the post you quoted was me being surprised that someone doesnt think Ozzy is iconic.

If you meant to quote me and are saying Ozzy isnt a musician, I totally disagree... he's a singer and arranger/composer, whatever you want to call it. While the riffs all came from guys like Lee, Wylde etc and they get writing credits, its Ozzy who puts it all together, under his vision, therefore its his music. That makes him a musician.

To my knowledge, James Brown didnt play an instrument either... but he oversaw all of the jam sessions and molded the riffs that came out of those sessions into songs through his own vision by choreographing the music. Mayfield, give me two high squeals here, drummer I want a UH UH BOOM there etc.

Ozzy is definitely a musician.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Are you sure you're responding to the right poster? the post you quoted was me being surprised that someone doesnt think Ozzy is iconic.

If you meant to quote me and are saying Ozzy isnt a musician, I totally disagree... he's a singer and arranger/composer, whatever you want to call it. While the riffs all came from guys like Lee, Wylde etc and they get writing credits, its Ozzy who puts it all together, under his vision, therefore its his music. That makes him a musician.

To my knowledge, James Brown didnt play an instrument either... but he oversaw all of the jam sessions and molded the riffs that came out of those sessions into songs through his own vision by choreographing the music. Mayfield, give me two high squeals here, drummer I want a UH UH BOOM there etc.

Ozzy is definitely a musician.

Ozzy is definitely an icon.

I don't think Ozzy is quite the same type of bandleader as James Brown. Zakk and Sharon run the live band, and they hire producers to run things in the studio.

It's pretty much been that way since Ozzmosis...consequently, that is probably the last Ozzy record I bought or ever cared about. Everything he's done for the past 20 has pretty much sucked, except for Sabbath...and except for Geezer and Tony, that record sucked too.

Lol

**Easy 6** · 10-21-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Ozzy is definitely an icon.

I don't think Ozzy is quite the same type of bandleader as James Brown. Zakk and Sharon run the live band, and they hire producers to run things in the studio.

I'll buy that, but the basic premise being disputed here (I think) - that Ozzy knows nothing of how to turn jam sessions into songs - is just plain wrong.

Anyone thats been in a successful rock band as long as he has, can definitely "jam".

10-20-2014, 04:28 PM
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