So after watching the rookie camp video - Page 5

DenverChief · 05-04-2005, 07:43 PM

I wonder if we could see our linebackers shake out this way:

LOLB Johnson, Fujita
MLB Grigsby, Mitchell/Maslowski
ROLB Bell, Fox/Caver/Mitchell

PUP: Barber

I like what I have seen so far, although starting two rookie linbackers leaves a little to be desired. However if Bell can lead them from the right side and the other veteran leadership on the D protecting them (Knight, Surtain, Hicks, Wesley, Dalton) it may work out

TRR · 05-04-2005, 09:29 PM

Everybody rags on Scott Fujita. Fujita has never missed 1 game in his NFL career. Last season he had 90 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The season before, he had 111 tackles and 4.0 sacks.

I'm sorry, but Fujita isn't a problem on D.

nychief · 05-04-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Cadrez was smaller and slower....

smaller, yes. But he had the speed when he played for the Jets....

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-04-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

TRR - get ready to lose all faith in the coaching staff... I think Gun believes in Mitchell.

Mitchell earned first crack at the job--he showed some flashes the last month of the season.....remember, he only has 16 or 17 starts under his belt, in two completely different schemes. Cut him a little slack.

nychief · 05-04-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Mitchell earned first crack at the job--he showed some flashes the last month of the season.....remember, he only has 16 or 17 starts under his belt, in two completely different schemes. Cut him a little slack.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-04-2005, 09:31 PM

Bottom-line: the best four LBs on the team (size, speed, attitude) are...

Bell
Johnson
Fujita
Mitchell

One will be the top reserve....the rest will be fightin' to back those four up. Period.

stevieray · 05-04-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ill admit hes ok to average, but nothing truly special. On occasion he makes a play. He has been a part of one of the NFL's worst defense's the past 3 year or 4 years.

You better check the stats, fujita makes more than the occasional play.

nychief · 05-04-2005, 09:34 PM

Just curious...but did Anthony Simmons ever sign?

**Bowser** · 05-04-2005, 09:34 PM

If Mitchell starts, it will mean that our coaching staff believes he is better than either Fujita or Johnson. That's when I will start to question them. They can say whatever they want about whomever they want right now, it's early May. But, how can you not line up opening day with Fujita and Johnson at the outside backer, and Bell inside (barring injury)? I just don't see how Mitchell breaks this starting lineup, unless he moves outside and takes Fujita's spot.

And if I hear the "Well, he's a rookie and can't start the first game of the season" line, I swear I'm going to crap in a bag, set it outside the Arrowhead offices, and burn it.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-04-2005, 09:36 PM

Fujita...the last month of the season:

December Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Ast Tot Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD

11/28 San Diego L 31-34 Yes 10.0 1 11 0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/05 @Oakland W 34-27 Yes 2.0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/13 @Tennessee W 49-38 Yes 9.0 3 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/19 Denver W 45-17 Yes 3.0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/25 Oakland W 31-30 Yes 7.0 2 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

31 tackles.....that's a 100 tackle season; and 4.5 sacks. Not shabby.

keg in kc · 05-04-2005, 09:38 PM

I like Fujita. But if it really does come down to a battle between SF and Johnson, Fujita will lose in the end. He's played well, but he isn't a first round pick, and he just doesn't have the same amount of talent.

'course this discussion is pretty moot until August. And the way our offseasons seem to go, the biggest trick may be finding three healthy linebackers to start.

In the end, I don't care who they play, as long as the jobs are earned. If a month of camps makes them think their best starting trio is Bell, Johnson and Mitchell, then great. If it's Bell, Fox and Fujita, then great. Names don't matter as much as performance and the guys who give us the best chance of winning are the ones who should be on the field. And we don't know, can't know, who that is right now.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-04-2005, 09:40 PM

Mitchell's last month:

12/05 @Oakland W 34-27 Yes 3.0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
12/13 @Tennessee W 49-38 Yes 2.0 3 5 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 39 1
12/19 Denver W 45-17 Yes 9.0 1 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/25 Oakland W 31-30 Yes 8.0 1 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
01/02 @San Diego L 17-24 Yes 6.0 4 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

28 tackles....much improved, again a 100 tackle season at that pace. Got his first sack too.

Flanked by Bell and Fujita, or Bell and Johnson....he'll be even more productive.

Logical · 05-04-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Everybody rags on Scott Fujita. Fujita has never missed 1 game in his NFL career. Last season he had 90 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The season before, he had 111 tackles and 4.0 sacks.

I'm sorry, but Fujita isn't a problem on D.

You do realize that the number of tackles is not important without considering where those tackles occured at relative to the LOS.

**Mr. Kotter** · 05-04-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

You do realize that the number of tackles is not important without considering where those tackles occured at relative to the LOS.

Imagine if he'd have had a little help....instead of making tackles that our Safeties or the other OLB should have been making...

TRR · 05-04-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

You do realize that the number of tackles is not important without considering where those tackles occured at relative to the LOS.

I'm scared to think where Mitchell's 70 some tackles occured.

Mitchell couldn't even beat out Monty Beisel in last seasons TC (or stay healthy enough to do so either).

Bell will be the full time starter at MLB. I'm willing to put some bets on it. I just don't see Scott Fujita riding the pine this season behind Kawika Mitchell.

philfree · 05-04-2005, 11:23 PM

Between DJ and Fuji I don't think there's any contest. The thing with DJ is he'll allow Gun to go through his playbook like Al Saunders does his. DJ can play run, play pass and rush the passer. I think Gun will be able to disguise what we're gonna do on any given play because of DJs versatility.

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05-04-2005, 07:43 PM
DenverChief MVP Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $5479867	So after watching the rookie camp video I wonder if we could see our linebackers shake out this way: LOLB Johnson, Fujita MLB Grigsby, Mitchell/Maslowski ROLB Bell, Fox/Caver/Mitchell PUP: Barber I like what I have seen so far, although starting two rookie linbackers leaves a little to be desired. However if Bell can lead them from the right side and the other veteran leadership on the D protecting them (Knight, Surtain, Hicks, Wesley, Dalton) it may work out
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05-04-2005, 09:29 PM	#61
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	Everybody rags on Scott Fujita. Fujita has never missed 1 game in his NFL career. Last season he had 90 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The season before, he had 111 tackles and 4.0 sacks. I'm sorry, but Fujita isn't a problem on D.
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05-04-2005, 09:31 PM	#65
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5385285	Bottom-line: the best four LBs on the team (size, speed, attitude) are... Bell Johnson Fujita Mitchell One will be the top reserve....the rest will be fightin' to back those four up. Period. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3041616	If Mitchell starts, it will mean that our coaching staff believes he is better than either Fujita or Johnson. That's when I will start to question them. They can say whatever they want about whomever they want right now, it's early May. But, how can you not line up opening day with Fujita and Johnson at the outside backer, and Bell inside (barring injury)? I just don't see how Mitchell breaks this starting lineup, unless he moves outside and takes Fujita's spot. And if I hear the "Well, he's a rookie and can't start the first game of the season" line, I swear I'm going to crap in a bag, set it outside the Arrowhead offices, and burn it.
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05-04-2005, 09:36 PM	#69
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5385285	Fujita...the last month of the season: December Tackles Interceptions Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Ast Tot Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD 11/28 San Diego L 31-34 Yes 10.0 1 11 0.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/05 @Oakland W 34-27 Yes 2.0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/13 @Tennessee W 49-38 Yes 9.0 3 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/19 Denver W 45-17 Yes 3.0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/25 Oakland W 31-30 Yes 7.0 2 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31 tackles.....that's a 100 tackle season; and 4.5 sacks. Not shabby. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.” Last edited by Mr. Kotter; 05-04-2005 at 09:42 PM..
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05-04-2005, 09:38 PM	#70
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I like Fujita. But if it really does come down to a battle between SF and Johnson, Fujita will lose in the end. He's played well, but he isn't a first round pick, and he just doesn't have the same amount of talent. 'course this discussion is pretty moot until August. And the way our offseasons seem to go, the biggest trick may be finding three healthy linebackers to start. In the end, I don't care who they play, as long as the jobs are earned. If a month of camps makes them think their best starting trio is Bell, Johnson and Mitchell, then great. If it's Bell, Fox and Fujita, then great. Names don't matter as much as performance and the guys who give us the best chance of winning are the ones who should be on the field. And we don't know, can't know, who that is right now.
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05-04-2005, 09:40 PM	#71
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5385285	Mitchell's last month: 12/05 @Oakland W 34-27 Yes 3.0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 12/13 @Tennessee W 49-38 Yes 2.0 3 5 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 39 1 12/19 Denver W 45-17 Yes 9.0 1 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/25 Oakland W 31-30 Yes 8.0 1 9 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 01/02 @San Diego L 17-24 Yes 6.0 4 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 28 tackles....much improved, again a 100 tackle season at that pace. Got his first sack too. Flanked by Bell and Fujita, or Bell and Johnson....he'll be even more productive. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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