Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 5

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Give him 8 years and $8 million then. All guaranteed.

Oh let's be realistic, 6years 70 million, 30 guaranteed.
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In58men · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

He's always looking for the mediocre play

**Bowser** · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

I think they're waiting to see what he does this season. Which Alex do the Chiefs have for real - the Alex from the first half of 2013, or the Alex from the second half of 2013? The problem is that waiting on Alex to perform is potentially ****ing up talks with Justin Houston.

I think in the end Alex will get his contract and Houston will get tagged.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Oh let's be realistic, 6years 70 million, 30 guaranteed.
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I'm being as realistic as Alex Smith, thank you very much.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Your definition of mediocre, and those who run the football team, are vastly different.

And theirs is much closer to reality, than your biased, hateful one.

for the record.

Your team has an absolute shit set of receivers. you have an absolute shit offensive line, and are a kelce injury away from being absolutely awful.

You have Jamal Charles. and??

Our offensive line is below average. It's not "absolutely awful".

And while I agree about our WRs, apparently Dorsey and Reid are just fine rolling with shit at the position. Lord knows Andy was fine working with shitty receivers for the first half of his tenure in Philly.

Alex has a coach, a system, and an absolutely stunning stable of RBs. And the defense, while nothing to write home about, is nevertheless extremely opportunistic and very helpful to the offense in creating as many turnovers as they do.

He's got it pretty damn good here. Any QB worth a squirrel fart should be able to win with this.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

But, just being honest, if a deal came down at 5 years 70 mil, people are going to bitch regardless.

So really what is the difference? Unless it results in the Chiefs cutting ties with alex smith, and drafts a qb in the first round, no one is going to be happy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

well, it has actually.

his history has shown that.

He took a huge pay cut from his original deal because he was shown loyalty from Norv Turner right before turner left.

he was GONE from san Francisco before Jim harbaugh sweet talked him into staying.

Alex loves andy reid, he wants to stay here with Andy reid.

Again, yes, its my opinion, but its one that he has shown to be the way he operates.

If he loved Andy Reid and wanted to stay here, he'd take a Dalton deal.

But he's trying to press his luck, knowing he's not getting big money if he hits the market next year.

Conning John Dorsey is his only shot at sealing one last big deal.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

well, it has actually.

his history has shown that.

He took a huge pay cut from his original deal because he was shown loyalty from Norv Turner right before turner left.

he was GONE from san Francisco before Jim harbaugh sweet talked him into staying.

Alex loves andy reid, he wants to stay here with Andy reid.

Again, yes, its my opinion, but its one that he has shown to be the way he operates.

No it's hasn't. We are talking about this negotiation, the only bearing the past has on it is the fact he got benched in San Francisco by a younger guy and that may have led to some insecurities in himso now he might not be in the same mindset as prior
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**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm being as realistic as Alex Smith, thank you very much.

true
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**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

But, just being honest, if a deal came down at 5 years 70 mil, people are going to bitch regardless.

So really what is the difference? Unless it results in the Chiefs cutting ties with alex smith, and drafts a qb in the first round, no one is going to be happy.

Bullshit.
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**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And if he gets his contract then Dorsey's ability to put the pieces around Alex to succeed aren't going to materialize.

Smith can win playoff games with pro-bowl level talent in a RB and TE, and with a top-3 defense... and defenses are about to be totally irrelevant with rule changes favoring offense).

Yeah. I mean, hell, Drew brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady have nothing but SCRUBS AROUND THEM.

**TimBone** · 08-09-2014, 06:00 PM

I don't see how you guys are interpreting what he's saying into "he'll take less money as long as there's a commitment."

He's looking for a commitment AND money.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson

I don't see how you guys are interpreting what he's saying into "he'll take less money as long as there's a commitment."

He's looking for a commitment AND money.

This guy gets it
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson

I don't see how you guys are interpreting what he's saying into "he'll take less money as long as there's a commitment."

He's looking for a commitment AND money.

Chances are if the Chiefs hold their water, he'll get neither.

Discuss Thrower · 08-09-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Yeah. I mean, hell, Drew brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady have nothing but SCRUBS AROUND THEM.

That only applies to Brady last season.

But either way, notice how the quarterback stays the same and the guys around them become competent role players.

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3848675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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