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Mellinger | Ex-GM Peterson ‘saddened’ by Chiefs’ situation

Sam Mellinger | Ex-GM Peterson ‘saddened’ by Chiefs’ situation
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star
Carl Peterson knows exactly why I called. He knows why some Chiefs fans want to hear from him. In some real ways, this conversation is a beach ball of schadenfreude placed on a tee for the man who effectively ran all things Chiefs for nearly 20 years, then was fired four years ago with his reputation in Kansas City at least frayed.

Peterson knows all of this. He won’t take his biggest swing.

But he will make solid contact.

“I guess like every Chiefs fan, I’m disappointed and I’m saddened by what’s transpired there,” he says. “I think I know and made a real point to learn who the Chiefs fans were and what they wanted. I feel for them, because I’ve always felt the Kansas City Chiefs were, should be, and could be a great franchise.”

There’s more.

“I was very, very fortunate to work for Lamar Hunt for 18 of my 20 years there. He’s the guy who made the difference for me. They’ve fallen on hard times. That’s for sure.”

The point here is not just for Peterson to dance on the Chiefs’ rubble. There is some perspective in remembering what he and Lamar Hunt made together. They built the Chiefs’ brand in the 1990s. Through much of the 1980s, the team was a local afterthought. If they won, cool. If they lost, whatever. Nobody much noticed.

That began to change when Hunt hired Peterson, and Peterson hired coach Marty Schottenheimer and the whole thing just took off, with seven playoff appearances in the first eight years of the 1990s.

The Chiefs’ parking lot became the biggest party in Kansas City. Arrowhead Stadium became one of the toughest places to play in the NFL. Peterson, who lives in New York now, is one of the strongest connections we have to that time.

“We had fun at it,” he says. “We made it a fun thing. We made it a family thing. Lamar believed very much in that, and I did, too. He was a wonderful owner. He’d say, ‘How can I help?’ I’d say, ‘Lamar, I need you to do a contest in the parking lot to judge buses and vans that fans have painted,’ and he loved that.”

Now, of course, that is all different. Lamar’s son Clark fired Peterson two years after taking over, and Peterson says the two never communicate.

The Chiefs made massive personnel changes after Peterson was fired, often dropping thinly veiled shots along the way. Peterson hasn’t been back to Arrowhead since, and remains touchy about not being invited to Schottenheimer’s induction to the team’s Ring of Honor.

It is a vastly different franchise now, and when Scott Pioli took over for Peterson after a 2-14 disaster in 2008, that was part of the point. The Chiefs were broken and needed fixing. A youth movement that started under Peterson — Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles, Derrick Johnson and other key players who predate Pioli — needed structure, and until this season, there was reason for optimism.

Now, the big story out of the parking lot before Sunday’s loss to the Bengals was the team stopping the mass distribution of flyers listing some unflattering facts about the Chiefs on one side and “FIRE PIOLI” on the other.

The Chiefs have never had a disconnect with their fans like this. That was always a priority with Peterson, sometimes to the point of being criticism. The common knock on the Chiefs was that they cared more about filling the stadium than advancing in the playoffs.

Now, team and town would settle for a fun atmosphere and competitive team. The last man to oversee a run like that watches from a distance.

“I do come back to Kansas City,” he says. “I still have a home there. People on the street, they’re very disappointed. Some of them are angry at what’s transpired. I’m sorry to see that. It’s no longer my watch, so I can have my personal feelings about it, but it’s not my responsibility anymore.”
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:03 PM   #61
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We didn't win those games because we didn't have a QB and other teams did.
Not really. A few of them yea. Not the 93' AFCCG, not the 97' PO game (Grbac didn't lose that nor did Elway win it) not the 2003 PO game.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:05 PM   #62
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Not like Carl was a good GM Folks.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:05 PM   #63
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.Clark seems not to realize this yet, imo, which is strange
He does. There was an article from the Star about it.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:08 PM   #64
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He does. There was an article from the Star about it.

yeah, i've read the propaganda too...

if he can't smell the stench in pioli in his own building, talking to fans is pointless...

he's done and said nothing as pioli has spent the last 4 years burning every bridge there was to burn...
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Personally I believe he's already stripped Pioli of a lot of power this year, hence Routt being released, Cassel benched, etc.

Clark is going to do the right thing.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:30 PM   #67
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Carl Peterson built what?

Bowe
Hali
DJ (passed on Rodgers)
Colquit (drafted in third round)

He was relieved of draft power for the 2008 draft in which the team got as much talent in that draft as the previous 5 that Carl ran.

Carl was propped up by a really good coach that couldnt ever win the big game. Marty turned teams around everywhere he has been.
He wasn't relieved of all draft power. He collaborated a lot more with the head coach than he did in the past and Kuharick, but Peterson was still heavily involved. This isn't from me, this is from a guy who I used to talk to that was involved in the FO.

Actually, Herm's first draft, was the same way with Tamba. A lot was made that Carl stepped down from that 08 draft, but that's just not true. He gave more responsibility to others, but he was involved heavily.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:13 PM   #68
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Not really. A few of them yea. Not the 93' AFCCG, not the 97' PO game (Grbac didn't lose that nor did Elway win it) not the 2003 PO game.
In the 93 AFCCG Montana was injured when the game was tied and it just went downhill from there with Krieg I believe it was.
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Not like Carl was a good GM Folks.
No. This is as bad as the push to have Marty come back.

We need to remember there were days when we all were calling for their heads just as much as we are Pioli and RAC now. Short memories.
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He hired Marty and drafted DT...4 years later, he drafted a HOF guard...4 years later he traded up from 18th to 13th overall to draft a HOF TE.

Credit given where due.

Calling him a great GM for that isnt true when he only won 3 playoff games in 20 years and never drafted a franchise quarterback the whole time.

Agree to disagree.
You are probably too young to remember but before Carl arrived, Kansas City didn't give two shits about the Chiefs, let alone football in general.

They were blacked out for years on end. No one went to the stadium. They went 17 years between playoff appearance, then fired the coach that got them there. They were a national and local joke.

Peterson immediately gave creditability to the Chiefs, not only nationally but more importantly, locally. He hired Marty Schottenheimer, drafted Thomas and began not only building a very good team but within a year, made Arrowhead THE Kansas City destination.

All of the sudden, the Chiefs had a weekly TV show. Radio shows popped up all over town. The Chiefs re-energized the city.

It was an extremely exciting time. People lived and died with the Chiefs. If they won, everyone was happy and ecstatic on Mondays. If they loss, there was an air of depression that could be felt citywide.

No one ever discussed Carl being a failure in Year Four.
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No. This is as bad as the push to have Marty come back.

We need to remember there were days when we all were calling for their heads just as much as we are Pioli and RAC now. Short memories.
No one that I knew of was calling for Marty's head, even after the 1998 season.
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Yep. Insert the names of Marty, Cowher, and any other former coach/personnel person that has ever worked here in the past.

We need to move FORWARD, not cling to the glory years. Make NEW glory years.
Finally, Somebody who agrees!

Every time the new HC thread comes up and all these people want Marty, Cowher, ect. Why don't we dig up Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry?

There are other "Tomlin's and "McCarthy's" out there. We just need an owner or GM smart enough to find one, for us for a change!
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You are probably too young to remember but before Carl arrived, Kansas City didn't give two shits about the Chiefs, let alone football in general.

They were blacked out for years on end. No one went to the stadium. They went 17 years between playoff appearance, then fired the coach that got them there. They were a national and local joke.

Peterson immediately gave creditability to the Chiefs, not only nationally but more importantly, locally. He hired Marty Schottenheimer, drafted Thomas and began not only building a very good team but within a year, made Arrowhead THE Kansas City destination.

All of the sudden, the Chiefs had a weekly TV show. Radio shows popped up all over town. The Chiefs re-energized the city.

It was an extremely exciting time. People lived and died with the Chiefs. If they won, everyone was happy and ecstatic on Mondays. If they loss, there was an air of depression that could be felt citywide.

No one ever discussed Carl being a failure in Year Four.
. No shit. People weren't flying banners over Arrowhead after the Chiefs advanced to the AFC Championship Game?

Carl and Marty literally built the Arrowhead experience, and it's amazing the amount of revisionist history that has vilified every aspect of Peterson's tenure. Yes, the end was really bad. But that's generally how long-term relationships end.

The beginning, though, was nothing short of fantastic, and it's exactly what the organization and city needed.
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No one that I knew of was calling for Marty's head, even after the 1998 season.
I was, I could see he was just too stubborn to get over the hump.

And that would be the QB hump. Up till 98 I was on board though
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