***Official Gruden QB Camp Thread***

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

This kid has been grilled, poked and prodded by two of Andy Reid's closest friends: Jon Gruden and Steve Mariucci.

The Chiefs probably know everything about this kid anyone could ever know. If they don't take him there's probably a good reason.

Yea, because they already have a franchise QB.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

This kid has been grilled, poked and prodded by two of Andy Reid's closest friends: Jon Gruden and Steve Mariucci.

The Chiefs probably know everything about this kid anyone could ever know. If they don't take him there's probably a good reason.

Backtracking....backtracking...even you sound pathetic now. You're so weak. Have some resolve dude. Geez.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Backtracking....backtracking...even you sound pathetic now. You're so weak. Have some resolve dude. Geez.

Me and you just need to accept that our team is drafting Geno and there is nothing we can do about it.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Me and you just need to accept that our team is drafting Geno and there is nothing we can do about it.

For a guy that likes to describe himself as always seeing things clearly, you have gone back and forth twice now on what "obviously" is going to happen with the Jags.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

For a guy that likes to describe himself as always seeing things clearly, you have gone back and forth twice now on what "obviously" is going to happen with the Jags.

It's an illusion Michael.

[Mr. Laz]

What pros/cons come with Geno Smith
April, 4, 2013

11:08
AM ET

By Sharon Katz, ESPN Stats & Information | ESPN.com
Justin K. Aller/Getty Images

When the smoke clears, what will become of Geno Smith?


Jon Gruden will be doing his Quarterback Camp with Geno Smith at 8:30 p.m. ET tonight on ESPN2.

To give you something to think about as you watch, here is an in-depth breakdown of Smith’s greatest strengths and some team-specific concerns about him from a statistical perspective.

Greatest Strengths

Accuracy

Smith completed 71.2 percent of his passes last season, including 42 touchdowns. Smith threw just six interceptions in 518 pass attempts and did not throw an interception in his first 272 pass attempts of the season.

Comparing Quarterbacks
Final Year of College

	Comp pct	Avg Pass Dist
Russell Wilson	72.8	10.4
Robert Griffin III	72.4	10.2
Andrew Luck	71.3	9.0
Geno Smith	71.2	7.7

Smith was particularly effective on short passes. He attempted half of his passes within five yards of the line of scrimmage, including an AQ-high 112 screen passes last season.

On passes of this distance, Smith completed 82.6 percent with 15 touchdowns and no interceptions.

In comparison to recent top QBs, Smith completed a similar percentage of his passes in his final year of college, but it is important to note that his average pass traveled more than a yard shorter than all of those quarterbacks listed in the chart above.

Poise in the Pocket

Smith completed 70.8 percent of his passes when opponents sent five or more pass rushers last season, the highest completion percentage against the blitz of Scouts Inc.’s top eight QB prospects.

Passing vs Blitz
Final College Season

	Griffin III	Smith
Comp pct	70.2	70.8
Yds per att	11.8	8.7
TD-Int	11-0	12-1
20+ yd comp	18	14

Smith was able to exploit blitzing defenses in much the same way that Robert Griffin III did in his final season of college. Griffin III went on to lead the NFL with a 96.8 Total QBR against the blitz.

Further, Smith was sacked 19 times in 571 dropbacks last season. He was able to scramble for 253 yards when forced out of the pocket as well as complete 49.5 percent of his passes when under duress (avg FBS quarterback completed only 40 percent).

Ball Placement

West Virginia gained 2,459 yards after the catch last season, most of any school in an AQ conference. While the Mountaineers had one of the best receiving duos in the nation in Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey, a lot of their success was due to Smith’s ball placement.

The Mountaineers averaged 6.5 yards after the catch per reception and gained at least five yards after the catch on 44 percent of their receptions last season.

To put that into perspective, Baylor averaged 6.3 yards after the catch per reception while running a similar offense with Griffin at quarterback.

Team-Specific Concerns

Under Center Snaps

Smith attempted over 96 percent of his passes out of a shotgun or pistol formation in his career.

The NFL is trending towards more spread tendencies, but the average NFL quarterback still attempted over a third of his passes after taking a snap from under center.

Zone-read Running

Teams looking for the next zone-read quarterback may be lured by Smith’s 4.59 40-yard dash at the combine. Yet, Smith attempted only 11 designed rushes in 2012 and averaged 2.5 yards per rush on those carries.

Smith is adept at taking snaps and passing from a pistol formation – the primary formation used for zone reads – but has not shown the ability to run out of the formation.

Since West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen introduced Smith to the pistol in 2011, Smith has thrown 42 touchdowns and four interceptions out of that formation. He improved his completion rate from 63 percent in 2011 to nearly 72 percent last season.

Note that just because Smith did not run does not mean that he cannot run. Smith scrambled for 253 yards and averaged 7.2 yards per scramble in 2012.

Weather

Smith’s final college game came in snowy Yankee Stadium in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl. The lasting image for many will be Smith struggling in that game with one fumble lost and two plays resulting in safeties.

Geno Smith By Temperature
Vs AQ Opponents Last 2 Seasons

	<=50	51+
Comp pct	64.7	68.3
Total TD-TO	18-8	40-12
TO pct	2.7%	1.7%
Team W-L	2-5	10-4
>> TO Pct = TO / (Pass att + Rush att)

Over the last two seasons, Smith has fared worse in cold weather than in mild weather.

In the seven games that he played against AQ opponents where the temperature was 50 degrees or colder at kickoff, he completed less than 65 percent of his passes and turned the ball over at a higher rate than in games when the temperature was above 50 degrees.

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[Mr_Tomahawk]

Updated.

[TribalElder]

after watching this I bet the eagles trade up with us and get geno.

[Coogs]

If we don't take this guy at #1, then we don't ever really deserve to have a franchise QB. You have to roll the dice sometime, and this guy appears to have everything that has been in question the past couple of months. Leadership and command of the situation. The rest of the stuff has never been I doubt.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Coogs

If we don't take this guy at #1, then we don't ever really deserve to have a franchise QB. You have to roll the dice sometime, and this guy appears to have everything that has been in question the past couple of months. Leadership and command of the situation. The rest of the stuff has never been I doubt.

I wouldn't say that. To tell the truth, I think he was weak on the board...these guys want quarterbacks to draw up plays quickly and to explain the nuances of the play. Geno seemed slow to draw things up to me (Gruden even mentions it while Geno is drawing it up)...but seemed to be pretty good once he got going.

I was also interested to hear that WV only went into each game with around 7 plays and ran them out of multiple formations.

Geno is gonna take some developmental time to learn the WCO...I doubt very highly that he would be a quality game 1 starter.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Coogs

If we don't take this guy at #1, then we don't ever really deserve to have a franchise QB. You have to roll the dice sometime, and this guy appears to have everything that has been in question the past couple of months. Leadership and command of the situation. The rest of the stuff has never been I doubt.

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[Dayze]

I watched the one on NFLN and Barkely intrigued me. I don't really know much about the kid. but seemed smart / quick thinker.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I watched the one on NFLN and Barkely intrigued me. I don't really know much about the kid. but seemed smart / quick thinker.

Barkley was worse than Geno with Mooch. Especially considering he has already spent 4yrs in he system.

I was actually more impressed with Geno than I thought I'd be on Gruden's QB Camp. I don't think Geno was slow on the board, he just cared what they looked like(artist), and Gruden's comment was that they were about the best drawn plays he'd seen on the show.

I thought the multiple reads and options he was able to make from one play was a lot more complex than the typical guy has on the show. It seems like the typical guy on the show has two options per play based on read, whereas Geno might have 3-4.

Also he said they MIGHT go into a game with 7 plays, not that they always do...

Agreed though, he might be best served to sit awhile and marinate in the offense.

That said, I agree with Coogs. Gotta take him. Zero questions left to answer for me...

[Mr. Laz]

seems like to me they asked Geno to make tons of reads at West Virginia


I don't see how 'understanding defenses' can be listed as a weakness


looks like he ran a hybrid Spread/West Coast/Tempo type offense to me


isn't that pretty much exactly what Andy Reid wants to run?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

looks like to me they asked Geno to make tons of reads at West Virginia


I don't see how 'understanding defenses' can be listed as a weakness


looks like he ran a hybrid Spread/West Coast/Tempo type offense to me


isn't that pretty much exactly what Andy Reid wants to run?

They should just list his weakness as this.

Weaknesses: Came out the year after Andrew Luck and RGIII. Dark complexioned QB that doesn't run the football. No one gives a shit about West Virginia. Played on a team that had a defense who could stop no one.