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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-28-2015, 12:52 PM   #721
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Zobrist was huge last year and I would overpay to keep him. Gordo as much as I love him you have to let him walk unless he's giving you a huge hometown discount. If we keep Zobrist and fill the other holes with value signings, call ups or platoons we'll contend again.
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Old 11-28-2015, 02:00 PM   #722
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What is happening with Gordon? Is he coming back?
Let me check my crystal ball.....nope, still too cloudy to make a call.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:33 AM   #723
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Detroit has signed Jordan Zimmerman.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:35 AM   #724
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Detroit has signed Jordan Zimmerman.

5 years, $110 million is the early report.

Interesting player - backslid in some key areas last year (FB velo, K rate, ERA, WHIP all went backwards, IIRC).

Could be another big contract they regret a few years down the road. Could be great.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:36 AM   #725
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:44 AM   #726
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Where the f*** are they getting all this $ for big names? Their team revenues weren't all that much higher than ours were. I guess they have a bunch of min-wage guys in their pen + bench, but still they have some serious money committed to few guys
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:46 AM   #727
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:51 AM   #728
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Where the f*** are they getting all this $ for big names? Their team revenues weren't all that much higher than ours were. I guess they have a bunch of min-wage guys in their pen + bench, but still they have some serious money committed to few guys
Mike Illitch is incredibly rich and doesn't care about breaking even.

What surprises me most is that I really thought the Tigers were going away from the stars and scrubs approach and were going to try to balance things out a little bit more. Apparently not.

They WILL have Daniel Norris in their rotation next year, who will be a league minimum guy. But Verlander, Sanchez, and now Zimmermann will be paid somewhere around $70 million combined. Throw in the bad contract of Victor Martinez and the big (deserved) contract of Miguel Cabrera, and they've got 5 guys making about $115 million.

They'll be league min at 3B and SS, where Castellanos and Iglesias hold things down. Maybin and Gose aren't THAT expensive, and JD Martinez hits arbitration for the first time. Ian Kinsler is set to make $14 million.

This means they'll go cheap at C, I guess, and probably not do much in the pen other than pay K-Rod.

Looks to me like a team that is very similar to the ones the Tigers have fielded for several years... lot of star/elite talent, but a weak pen and not much depth. If one of those studs gets hurt (Miggy) or just isn't very good anymore (Verlander, Victor Martinez), it falls apart.
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How's their system look Duncan? I'd guess it's either shitty or that Illitch knows he's nearing death. Just doesn't make sense to operate a 3rd World payroll of extreme rich and several cheap. (Or Maybe they think KC will be so weakened by FA that 85 wins gets it done??)
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How's their system look Duncan? I'd guess it's either shitty or that Illitch knows he's nearing death. Just doesn't make sense to operate a 3rd World payroll of extreme rich and several cheap. (Or Maybe they think KC will be so weakened by FA that 85 wins gets it done??)

It's pretty awful. Only the Angels are more barren. If you don't consider Norris a prospect, the best guy in their system that's close is Matt Boyd.

That's what happens to your farm system when Dave Dombrowski is your GM for 5+ years.
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If Zimmerman gets $22M a year, I can't wait to see what Greinke and Price are going to get.

We'll see about Zobrist. He's so versatile, I have a bad feeling his contract may be closer to Gordon's than we expect... even if Zobrist is 35 next year. So many teams could fit him into their plans.
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If Zimmerman gets $22M a year, I can't wait to see what Greinke and Price are going to get.

We'll see about Zobrist. He's so versatile, I have a bad feeling his contract may be closer to Gordon's than we expect... even if Zobrist is 35 next year. So many teams could fit him into their plans.
I think most of us had already resigned ourselves to the fact that Gordon is probably gone, but we hoped Zobrist would stay. And our reason for that is that at 35 years old, Zobrist just doesn't (or shouldn't) have anywhere close to the market value that Gordon has.

If Zobrist is indeed drawing that much interest, I'm fine with the Royals going in a different direction. The absolute worst thing this team could do is overspend on older players.

Like everyone else, I'd love to see the Royals play in 3 straight World Series, and there is that big fear that when the window closes after 2017, times will be bad. But let's face it: teams very rarely make it to 3 straight World Series. The Royals are probably not going to win the American League again this year. Let's not overspend on older players and GUARANTEE massive suckage in the future.
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