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Actual definition 1. belonging to a proprietor. (it belongs to MPEG-LA, they license it out) Software definition from wikipedia Quote:
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Actually have no problem with their laptops or desktops.. I am rabidly against Apple mobile products(iphone, itouch, ipad) and Itunes... and the whole closed environment.
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It's not proprietary, because anyone can make an H.264 codec and sell it. They'll have to pay license fees, but again, that's not proprietary. H.264 is exactly like MP3, which is hardly proprietary, either. From another web page that says it much better than I could: "Is the format that Adobe uses for Flash video. It is covered by 129 patents owned by a large range of companies. Apple owns one. Microsoft about 7. Philips and LG are big contributors, as is the Fraunhofer institute, Panasonic, Sony, JVC, Toshiba etc. Apple isn't gaining significantly from the adoption of H.264. The specification is openly documented and anyone can write a H.264 CODEC. If they can figure out a faster or better way of implementing the spec then they'll have a market. They will need to pay licence fees if they are in a county that allows software patents, but they are otherwise unrestricted. Flash is a closed format. It isn't documented by Adobe and you can't write your own flash player. If you could then Apple would probably have written their own by now and it wouldn't be an issue. As it is Apple have chosen to to let developers write in C, C++ or Objective C and compile using an IDE that they give away for free. It's hardly a huge barrier to entry." Last edited by Silock; 05-19-2010 at 10:53 PM.. |
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If given a choice... WebM is head and shoulders better than h.264 MOSTLY because it is truly open source... h.264 is NOT. Proprietary does NOT mean people can't view the code ... it does NOT mean people can't make a new codec based on the code... it does mean that someone owns it AND can dictate it's use and fees. |
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That's not proprietary, though. Proprietary means that you don't have access to it if you don't own it, and that's just not the case.
Is MP3 proprietary? |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_f...ietary_formats Here is a broader article showing other file formats... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_format |
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Why no uproar over MP3, then?
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/k...nsing-and-you/ Your link bases the definition of proprietary based on this link: http://www.openformats.org/en1 So, while H.264 isn't FREE, it IS open, which means it's not proprietary. But whatever. It's all just semantics. H.264 isn't hurting anyone, so I don't see what the big to-do is. It's only because Apple is involved. If they hadn't been involved in it, no one would even be considering this a big deal. Apple just causes violent reactions in people for some reason. |
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That's a huge jump on your jump to conclusions mat.
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First, h.264 is a codec not a file format... which is probably why you don't see it or any other video codecs listed in the examples in the article I posted. Second, even in the VERY limited context of a "format" the wikipedia article I quoted is wrong in a few places. I only quoted it to show you more general examples. Here is where th article is wrong... Quote:
Again, OPEN does not = nonproprietary even though you want to believe that... REGARDLESS it really doesn't matter because here is the scale of bad to good... closed proprietary > open proprietary > open source with license issues > true open source |
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Like I said, semantics. You think it's proprietary, I think it isn't. Regardless, it isn't hurting anyone, and it's pretty clear that H.264 is a standard, proprietary or not.
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But as I pointed out, people are excited about WebM for good reasons. It will drastically cut storage size while still performing marginally better than h.264 (all the big players have signed on for hardware support). Combine that with the fact that since it is TRULY open source, we should see pretty serious community development. WebM is a good thing... but just like h.264/html5 supposedly replacing Flash video... it too will take awhile. Flash simply isn't going anywhere soon. Now that Android 2.2 is ready for prime time... there isn't much reason (unless battery life is the key factor) to go with an ipad over an Android tablet. The prototypes are all making the rounds now, so expect them to hit market in June and July. Speaking of Android... Android Froyo OS Features
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HAHAHA, believe it or not.. it was NOT me who put that replacement phrase in place! Funny though.
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