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**alnorth** · 10:02 PM

Final / 10	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	R	H	E
MIN (59-74)	2	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	0	6	11	14	0
KC (74-59)	2	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	5	12	1

Tommy Milone 5⅓IP 4R 4ER 2BB 0K
Blown Save, (1) Ryan Pressly ⅔IP 1R 1ER 2BB 0K 1HR
Jared Burton 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Casey Fien 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Brian Duensing ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (3-1) Anthony Swarzak ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Glen Perkins 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.

Jeremy Guthrie 6IP 5R 5ER 2BB 5K
Francisley Bueno ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Jason Frasor ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Kelvin Herrera 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Greg Holland 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K
Loss, (2-4) Bruce Chen 1IP 6R 6ER 2BB 1K

Home Runs

MIN

none

KC

Alex Gordon, (17) - Bottom 7th solo shot to center

Other Relevant Games

Final: NYY 2, DET 3
Final: TB 4, BAL 5

MIN

1. Danny Santana, CF
2. Brian Dozier, 2B
3. Kurt Suzuki, C
4. Kennys Vargas, DH
5. Oswaldo Arcia, RF
6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
7. Chris Parmelee, 1B
7. Joe Mauer, ph
~~8. Eduardo Escobar, SS~~
scratched
8. Eduardo Nunez, SS
9. Jordan Schafer, LF

KC

1. Norichika Aoki, RF
1. Jarrod Dyson, CF
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Alex Gordon, LF
4. Billy Butler, 1B
5. Salvador Perez, C
6. Josh Willingham, DH
7. Lorenzo Cain, CF/RF
8. Mike Moustakas, 3B
9. Christian Colon, 2B

TomBarndtsTwin · 08-28-2014, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman

They've scored 11 runs in the last 2 games. The Twins pitching staff sucks. No one is saying the offense definitely would have won the game, but you've got to at least give them the chance.

I'm not saying Ned didn't mismanage the bullpen a little, I just think its a stretch to assume we would have scored and won in the 10th or 11th.

Yes, we scored 6 runs in the 8th last night, but I'm guessing you probably watched the game and realize the smoke and mirrors of that offensive 'onslaught'. It was mostly predicated on luck and poor defense by the Twins. I think we hit one ball hard that inning.

And prior to last nights 6 run inning, we had scored 4 runs in like our last 35 innings prior to that.

Could Ned have made some better decisions. Probably. But I have zero confidence the offense would have won it in the next couple innings based on their recent body of work.

ChiefsCountry · 08-28-2014, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'm looking like a fool?

Really? I was the one that turned to Bruce Chen in the 10th inning?

I was the one who then made excuses for it?

Yeah, I'm the fool.

What ****ing excuses you idiot? There was not a single ****ing pitcher left in the bullpen. Go waste Holland for two innings tonight and then see the major bitching when he isn't available until Sunday or Monday night.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:50 PM

Kimbrel has had multiple 4 out outings this year.

Mejia has had several 2 IP outings (as the closer) and other 1.1 IP outings

SIX ****ING TIMES IN SEPTEMBER OF 2013...ONE ****ING MONTH...SIX ****ING TIMES...MARIANO RIVERA HAD 1.1 INNINGS OR MORE IN HIS APPEARANCES...

so don't give me this bullshit that closers can only pitch one ****ing inning

it's a dumb arbitrary NONE FORWARD WAY of thinking as a manager

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

What ****ing excuses you idiot? There was not a single ****ing pitcher left in the bullpen. Go waste Holland for two innings tonight and then see the major bitching when he isn't available until Sunday or Monday night.

I don't give a **** about Sunday or Monday ****ing night...

at all

we have 3 ****ing guys that can close games on this team

I CARE ABOUT WINNING GAMES THAT WE SHOULD WIN. EACH GAME COUNTS.

USING BRUCE CHEN IN THE 10TH INNING IS BASICALLY FORFEITING. IT'S PLAYING WITH FIRE AND EXPECTING NOT TO BE BURNED.

IT'S PLAYING POKER WITH YOUR CARDS SHOWING.

IT'S ****ING DUMB.

NED BUTCHERED THIS GAME.

THERE ARE NO EXCUSES.

THIS GAME IS 100% ON NED.

BUTCHERED

It's too late in the season, with too much at stake...to worry about Greg Holland not being available for a day or two when a win is within reach. Same with Wade Davis. Winning today means a hell of a lot more than maybe not having a closer in a game we may or may not need a closer in tomorrow or the next day.

If you think otherwise, you are wrong. This isn't opinion. This is fact.

tk13 · 08-28-2014, 10:53 PM

I've actually never been a huge fan of going multiple innings with the closer. I'd rather have the guy come in and air it out for an inning. But it depends on the guy. Rivera could do it with his eyes closed. It always seemed like Hillman would run Soria out there for extra outs, and it failed half the time.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:55 PM

LITERALLY

THE BEST CLOSER THAT WILL EVER GRACE THIS UNIVERSE

WAS USED, ALL OF THE ****ING TIME, FOR 4 OUTS OR MORE IN IMPORTANT GAMES

Last year...SIX TIMES IN SEPTEMBER

1 TIME IN AUGUST

0 TIMES IN ANY OTHER MONTH

and that makes total ****ing sense

BECAUSE NOW EVERY GAME MATTERS

If this were May 10th would I be mad? No. Not really. You have to manage your bullpen in ****ing May.

ON AUGUST 28TH

3 ****ING DAYS BEFORE ROSTERS EXPAND

and you guys are wondering why I'm mad?

GOOD RIDDANCE

TomBarndtsTwin · 08-28-2014, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I've never seen a guy (ChiefsCountry) make more excuses for anything in my life.

Mariano Rivera used to have 4-5 out saves. Kimbrel gets a tough out in the 8th all of the ****ing time.

Terry Collins uses his closer for 2 innings quite often over in New York.

There is never an excuse...EVER...in the history of the world...to use Bruce ****ing Chen in the 10th inning.

13th? Sure. 12th? ...ok

before that?

IN A PENNANT RACE?

FOR A TEAM THAT HASN'T SNIFFED THE PLAYOFFS IN 28 YEARS

NO.

NO ****ING WAY.

These excuses are awful, wrong, and terrible.

Greg Holland is not Mariano Rivera, nor will he ever be. He loses his effectiveness if stretched out more than one inning. This has been proven in the past, although, admittedly, the sample size is small.

Also, he is not currently conditioned to pitch more than one inning. That may not make sense to some of you, but baseball guys and anyone whose ever played baseball professionally understands.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

I've actually never been a huge fan of going multiple innings with the closer. I'd rather have the guy come in and air it out for an inning. But it depends on the guy. Rivera could do it with his eyes closed. It always seemed like Hillman would run Soria out there for extra outs, and it failed half the time.

I wouldn't do it, ever...in April, May, June or July

In August or September?

When you don't have certain guys available and you burn another guy on 1 batter?

Yeah.

I use Herrera for the 8th and 9th

and then Holland for the 10th (if necessary) and the 11th (if necessary)

after that...whatever. If our offense can't score 1 run in 12 outs then a loss is a loss. It happens.

Bruce Chen in the 10th? Bad ****ing managing 100 times out of 100.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Greg Holland is not Mariano Rivera, nor will he ever be. He loses his effectiveness if stretched out more than one inning. This has been proven in the past, although, admittedly, the sample size is small.

Also, he is not currently conditioned to pitch more than one inning. That may not make sense to some of you, but baseball guys and anyone whose ever played baseball professionally understands.

omfg

stfu

this is the ****ing dumbest thing I've ever read

the last time Greg ****ing Holland pitched 2 innings he wasn't Greg ****ing Holland

and even 30% Greg Holland is better than 185% Bruce Chen

don't come in here with this ****ing garbage

this is total nonsense

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 10:59 PM

are you a "baseball guy"

have you played "professionally"

if not, stfu

don't throw the "baseball guys" and "played professionally" card to try and prove a nonsense ****ing point that is literally impossible for you to prove in any way, shape or form

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 11:00 PM

Dellin Betances...

the best reliever in the game NOT NAMED WADE DAVIS

PITCHES 2 ****ING INNINGS ALL OF THE TIME and he still throws 98 and he still has that nasty unhittable slurve in that 2nd inning

but I guess he's just an anomaly

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 11:02 PM

GEE GOLLY BOY JOSEPH LOOK HOW MUCH EFFECTIVENESS DELLIN BETANCES LOSES IN THAT 2ND INNING!!!!

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelo...ellin-betances

Garbage.

If you're going to try and refute anything I've said at least make an actual point and not make up a bunch of total bullshit.

TomBarndtsTwin · 08-28-2014, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

omfg

stfu

this is the ****ing dumbest thing I've ever read

the last time Greg ****ing Holland pitched 2 innings he wasn't Greg ****ing Holland

and even 30% Greg Holland is better than 185% Bruce Chen

don't come in here with this ****ing garbage

this is total nonsense

Really??

The dumbest f**king thing you have ever read?? You should try reading back through some of your posts in this thread . . . .

Seriously, dude, chill the f**k out, you're gonna give yourself a coronary. It's just a f**king baseball game . . . not life or death.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 11:07 PM

They should just hire me as the manager.

I'd lead us to a division championship and then immediately make Yordano Ventura my postseason gap / 2 inning guy / spot starter in a big game (if needed)...

Our bullpen of Ventura/Herrera/Davis and Holland would literally be unhittable. Ventura projects long term as the best closer in baseball...he could dial it up to 102 for an inning or two at a time.

Shields/Vargas/Duffy with Guthrie who could be used if we were up 3-1 and needed to get the other 3 a rest day if plenty of fine and I think Ventura would be a killer ****ing weapon coming out of the bullpen...and Guthrie wouldn't fit that roll.

But Ned won't do that...because Ned is ****ing dumb.

Hootie · 08-28-2014, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Really??

The dumbest f**king thing you have ever read?? You should try reading back through some of your posts in this thread . . . .

Seriously, dude, chill the f**k out, you're gonna give yourself a coronary. It's just a f**king baseball game . . . not life or death.

I have made zero posts in this thread that weren't exactly on point...zero. I do get worked up, that's for sure.

I just can't stand losing winnable baseball games due to the manager. I never blame the manager unless he deserves it...and, without doubt, he deserves 100% of it tonight.

You don't manage like it's May in a pennant race. This was May managing. And it is infuriating.

08-28-2014, 10:50 PM	#708
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Kimbrel has had multiple 4 out outings this year. Mejia has had several 2 IP outings (as the closer) and other 1.1 IP outings SIX **ING TIMES IN SEPTEMBER OF 2013...ONE ING MONTH...SIX ING TIMES...MARIANO RIVERA HAD 1.1 INNINGS OR MORE IN HIS APPEARANCES... so don't give me this bullshit that closers can only pitch one **ing inning it's a dumb arbitrary NONE FORWARD WAY of thinking as a manager
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08-28-2014, 10:53 PM	#710
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1732500	I've actually never been a huge fan of going multiple innings with the closer. I'd rather have the guy come in and air it out for an inning. But it depends on the guy. Rivera could do it with his eyes closed. It always seemed like Hillman would run Soria out there for extra outs, and it failed half the time.
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08-28-2014, 10:55 PM	#711
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	LITERALLY THE BEST CLOSER THAT WILL EVER GRACE THIS UNIVERSE WAS USED, ALL OF THE **ING TIME, FOR 4 OUTS OR MORE IN IMPORTANT GAMES Last year...SIX TIMES IN SEPTEMBER 1 TIME IN AUGUST 0 TIMES IN ANY OTHER MONTH and that makes total ing sense BECAUSE NOW EVERY GAME MATTERS If this were May 10th would I be mad? No. Not really. You have to manage your bullpen in ing May. ON AUGUST 28TH 3 **ING DAYS BEFORE ROSTERS EXPAND and you guys are wondering why I'm mad? GOOD RIDDANCE
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08-28-2014, 10:59 PM	#715
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	are you a "baseball guy" have you played "professionally" if not, stfu don't throw the "baseball guys" and "played professionally" card to try and prove a nonsense ****ing point that is literally impossible for you to prove in any way, shape or form
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08-28-2014, 11:00 PM	#716
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Dellin Betances... the best reliever in the game NOT NAMED WADE DAVIS PITCHES 2 ****ING INNINGS ALL OF THE TIME and he still throws 98 and he still has that nasty unhittable slurve in that 2nd inning but I guess he's just an anomaly
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08-28-2014, 11:02 PM	#717
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	GEE GOLLY BOY JOSEPH LOOK HOW MUCH EFFECTIVENESS DELLIN BETANCES LOSES IN THAT 2ND INNING!!!! http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelo...ellin-betances Garbage. If you're going to try and refute anything I've said at least make an actual point and not make up a bunch of total bullshit.
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08-28-2014, 11:07 PM	#719
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	They should just hire me as the manager. I'd lead us to a division championship and then immediately make Yordano Ventura my postseason gap / 2 inning guy / spot starter in a big game (if needed)... Our bullpen of Ventura/Herrera/Davis and Holland would literally be unhittable. Ventura projects long term as the best closer in baseball...he could dial it up to 102 for an inning or two at a time. Shields/Vargas/Duffy with Guthrie who could be used if we were up 3-1 and needed to get the other 3 a rest day if plenty of fine and I think Ventura would be a killer **ing weapon coming out of the bullpen...and Guthrie wouldn't fit that roll. But Ned won't do that...because Ned is **ing dumb.
Posts: 56,356