Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Flacco has more wins in the regular and postseason than any quarterback since he came into the league...that was true BEFORE this past season.

Would you draft him 1st overall?

Matt Ryan's interceptions were his teammates faults? What?

Would you draft him first overall? Jake Long/Joeckel a better pick?

Rothlisberger was so good that he went to Miami......of Ohio.

Would you draft him first overall?

Rodgers was a Tedford bust and sat for 3 years...how about him first overall?

Are you new?

Seriously, this shit has been discussed ad nauseam.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

You aren't really Boxxy? Oh hell. My image of you is shattered. I was sure she spent this much time on a Chiefs message board.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's insanely laughable that he keeps beating that drum.

I'd be shocked if GoChiefs watched one Cam Newton game in college.

Cam was rough scheme wise, but his physical skills were off the charts.

GoChiefs knows SO MUCH at college football that when Croyle was interviewed, the actual website report listed "Mark Rick" (Mark Richt) as a mentor.

When called on it, he said that college football irrelevant to their reporting.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I hate to admit it but part of me hope the Chiefs don't draft a QB #1 just to see 75% of the board here lose their collective minds.

Reid/Dorsey were so great to hire... until they don't do what message board fanatics want. It's truly comical.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is completely untrue.

Go back and do a search on me and Sanchez. While I got into arguments as to whether or not Sanchez was more valuable than Curry has no relation to the current agenda.

If that's the way you want to play it, go for it.

I was harrassed by dozens of 'Planet members for my views on Cassel, ***** and Haley. I was told time again that "If you're so smart, why aren't YOU working for an NFL team" and much worse.

The point is that you have NO ACCESS to ANY of these guys. You ****ing watch YouTube clips, the same clips in which one member was excruciatingly tortured over his comments.

You have NO insight: You're a fan. Yet, you admonish people at will and act like a ****ing asshole to nearly everyone that disagrees with, even though your opinion is SHARED by the majority.

This isn't you against the world: This is you against "True Fans" or people with other ideas.

And if you're proven wrong, as I said late last year, there's going to be immediate hell to pay. Yet, you laughed.

Bullshit.

1. Sanchez more valuable than Curry... Geno more valuable than the current slapdicks at the top of this particular draft... they're pretty ****ing similar

2. "Excruciatingly tortured?" Who the **** are you talking about?

3. Are you still butthurt when I said your friend (I can't even remember which poster it was) was a terrible dentist? I've never met the guy, don't know his name or anything about his medical practice, and didn't even know he was a dentist until he told me the post immediately prior. I disagreed with him about something and called him the worst dentist in the world. I'LL BET I WAS SERIOUS.

I know things have gotten way too personal around here with you and some other members. I don't know the details of those disputes, nor do I care. Those are between you and them and they're in the past. So in this situation where I insulted your dentist friend in an completely OBVIOUS unserious way, you really took that one to heart. I suggest you grow a thicker skin when it comes to small ticky tack bullshit like that.

Other than that, I have no ****ing clue of any instances where you perceived me to be an asshole to people. I'll freely admit I'm an asshole to people who want to draft Joeckel, but they deserve it. I don't have any problems with people who like the other QBs. I've even had good conversations with people who think Glennon is the best.

4. If I'm wrong about Geno, excuse me for getting excited at the idea that the Chiefs draft a legit QB prospect since the ****ing Challenger explosion. I'm still going to laugh at the notion that I need to shave my head as penance and walk around with a dunce cap for the rest of my life or whatever.

How about this? If I'm wrong about Geno, you can go **** yourself and get me a roast beef sandwich. And if I'm right about Geno, well... get ****ed in that case too I suppose.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Consistently winning in college absolutely matters in the makeup of a player. Stop moving ****ing goal posts here. It's a package deal, but I would never, ever want a college QB that couldn't win games.

Is it shocking that Cutler was like 4-8 and hasn't had any sustainable success in the NFL?

Again, in Genos 6 losses his defense gave up an average of 49 points a game.

He lost 2 of those by only a point each and scored at least 34 points in 3 of the 6 games.

Lets say his defense was average and he wins three of those 6 games.

He end the year 10-6 and nobody questions his status as the top QB prospect.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by Sorter

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by Sorter

If the real Boxxy was n00b of the year it would be funnier than the reaction when KC goes non QB in round one.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's insanely laughable that he keeps beating that drum.

I'd be shocked if GoChiefs watched one Cam Newton game in college.

Cam was rough scheme wise, but his physical skills were off the charts.

There's no doubt why Auburn paid the guy a NFL base salary to come there.

If Geno is the only reason why WVU was in games (and he was) what the **** was Newton? That whole program went to shit and the coach was fired after he left.

The Geno nut hugging has gotten way out of hand and i'm a guy who would draft him #1 but let's be honest he's the worst #1 QB prospect to come out since Bradford.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

If the real Boxxy was n00b of the year it would be funnier than the reaction when KC goes non QB in round one.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's insanely laughable that he keeps beating that drum.

I'd be shocked if GoChiefs watched one Cam Newton game in college.

Cam was rough scheme wise, but his physical skills were off the charts.

He couldn't even tell Jon Gruden the name of a single play...know why?

Here was Cams (2) plays book at auburn...

One read and if its covered, run.
Read option.

Those two plays (ran out of multiple formations) were probably 70% of the plays he ran.

Look what he has done in the pros...not a hell of a lot more than that.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

There's no doubt why Auburn paid the guy a NFL base salary to come there.

If Geno is the only reason why WVU was in games (and he was) what the **** was Newton? That whole program went to shit and the coach was fired after he left.

The Geno nut hugging has gotten way out of hand and i'm a guy who would draft him #1 but let's be honest he's the worst #1 QB prospect to come out since Bradford.

We don't actually know what's going to happen to West Virginia when Geno leaves. Holgerson is a pretty shitty coach, so we may be surprised just how terrible they can be. If they don't find a defense soon, he'll be out the door just like Chizik.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

The Geno nut hugging has gotten way out of hand and i'm a guy who would draft him #1 but let's be honest he's the worst #1 QB prospect to come out since Bradford.

Wow. A full 3 years? Are you drunk Bo? lol

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by Sorter

But of course I want Geno #1 because I, like everyone here, know better than actual professional football minds. If we don't draft Geno #1 we are doomed to failure... forever. And ever.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Wow. A full 3 years? Are you drunk Bo? lol

Yes I am.