Adrian Peterson Indicted

[doomy3]

Reckless/negligent injury to a child. Indicted.

This league may not be able to sustain too many more of these black eyes. It's a mess.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

This is where I think you are ignorant, and it shows. You don't NEED to do anything in regards to punishing a child....theres no one sitting there telling you what you need to do. This is all opinion, and yours (or mine) isnt the "right one". There is no right one....what works for you is going to be different for someone else...Thats all I am trying to say....I do not see any difference from the "restraint" you say you see by hitting your child with a hand versus hitting them with a "tool". WHat if you hit them harder with your hand than with a tool? I think its possible to use a paddle or tool just as "gently" as a hand. I dont think just by using a tool you are somehow more "bad" than the guy who uses no tool yet does it (as you say) out of anger or just "because he thinks he is right".

Personally I view everything as a tool....my hand , my voice, my body language.....etc...

I guarantee you don't need a switch to be abusive.

I also guarantee that not everyone who uses a switch, or wooden spoon or belt IS abusive.

At least by my definition.

That's your opinion. There are plenty of people in America that believe the last generation was right in how they disciplined their kids. Looking at today's kids vs us, you can see a huge difference in respect. Maybe the older generation knew better.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

That's your opinion. There are plenty of people in America that believe the last generation was right in how they disciplined their kids. Looking at today's kids vs us, you can see a huge difference in respect. Maybe the older generation knew better.

The last generation was often excessive in how they punished their kids, judging from a ton of the personal stories I've read right here on this thread.

And that's wrong.

Yes, WRONG.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I'm not of the "no punishment" crowd. I have and will continue to spank our children when they cross a threshold, but I will never use a belt, wooden spoon, or anything like that as was used on me. Do I begrudge my parents for that? No, but it isn't right regardless.

[listopencil]

I just now read a report describing this whole thing. I'll just say two things:

1) My wife and I used spankings while raising our children. Only during certain age ranges, from around three to around six years old. It was always either a smack to the hand or a swat to the butt and I can guarantee you that emotional distress was greater than the physical pain inflicted.

2) If the report is true then what AP did was child abuse.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

That's your opinion. There are plenty of people in America that believe the last generation was right in how they disciplined their kids. Looking at today's kids vs us, you can see a huge difference in respect. Maybe the older generation knew better.

Don't know how old you are but I don't see any difference in the paying of respect between kids (teens) now and the time I was a teen.

Because as a teen, I was waaaaay worse than either of my kids.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Meh. Say what you want about AP but don't label my parents as anything like him. They did what they did because they love us and I know I turned out better because of their discipline.

As Jim Rome pointed out to Barkley.......This is not 1964, maybe we should examine how we discipline children in 2014? Not just go with my parents did it to me and I tuned out fine argument.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Jim Rome pointed out to Barkley.......This is not 1964, maybe we should examine how we discipline children in 2014? Not just go with my parents did it to me and I tuned out fine argument.

After seeing those photos, I'd have called him in in a heartbeat.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Katipan

I don't get why it's a lesser moral charge if you smack their butts for running into the street. Either hitting for punishment is always bad no matter what, or its only mostly bad with a long list of exemptions.

The tool doesn't increase the damage unless the tool wielding it does.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I have no problem seeing a stark difference between swatting a kids butt with an open palm and ripping a branch off of a tree and whipping him with it. I understand spanking isn't for everyone, but this all or nothing, black and white analysis of it doesn't add to the argument at all, IMO.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Jim Rome pointed out to Barkley.......This is not 1964, maybe we should examine how we discipline children in 2014? Not just go with my parents did it to me and I tuned out fine argument.

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

that still doesn't make it right to do this to a 4 year old

mind you, this is over a week AFTER.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

It's the lack of beatings that are solely responsible for the lack of respect that you see?

It couldn't possibly be the parents failing to demonstrate manners and respect in every day life.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

Okay, but you also don't know the disciplinary tactics used by the parents of the offending kids. When I was a kid (late 80's early 90's) I had a few friends that consistently got in trouble and they were the ones whose parents were the most extreme when it came to corporal punishment. I know that's anecdotal, but that's kinda the point. We see a lot more now than people could back then. Does that mean there are more bad kids? I don't think so. In fact, and I know this is a worn out tune, but parents of kids in the 60's thought the next generation was going to be a mess just like their parents did. Why do you think this is finally the generation to **** it all up?

Also, saying what would have gotten you thrown out of school back then doesn't at all apply to the discussion. You're talking about school policy, not parental forms of discipline.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

that still doesn't make it right to do this to a 4 year old

mind you, this is over a week AFTER.

I have stated many times he went overboard and IMO switching a 4 year old on his bare ass is too much.

I just have serious doubt its felony level child abuse.

This is a tough subject because people have such different opinions on all of this. I am certain there are people on CP who have disciplined their kids in a way others woudl consider abuse while the parent thinks its the right thing to do.

I doubt many think AP didn't go too far but to talk like he needs to go to prison is absurd unless there is a history here or there has been serious injury.

He needs punishment, and he also needs counseling and education.

Does anyone think his only intent was to simply hurt the kid or question whether he thought he was doing the right thing from his past upbringing?

I think this is just mob mentality going overboard.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's the lack of beatings that are solely responsible for the lack of respect that you see?

It couldn't possibly be the parents failing to demonstrate manners and respect in every day life.

I don't know the exact reason but discipline probably plays a roll yes. I do know things aren't better now so stop with the its not 1964 anymore BS. That argument is invalid in my opinion.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don't know the exact reason but discipline probably plays a roll yes. I do know things aren't better now so stop with the its not 1964 anymore BS. That argument is invalid in my opinion.

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