Chiefs Brandon and KC to talk contract - Page 45

Red Dawg · 07-02-2013, 01:15 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kansas-...173000220.html

Yipppeee yay!

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Matt Ryan is not elite. Neither is Alex Smith.

Each have won a single playoff game in their careers, although Ryan has had the benefit of better skill players and coaching.

So yeah, I guess I did say that and believe it.

So, now you believe that nonsense again? That was quick.

A little while ago you were slamming me as if I made up that comment and that you wouldn't say such a thing.

Which one is it?

If you actually believe Alex Smith is equal to Matt Ryan, everything you post regarding football should be quickly disregarded.

But, go ahead and bring up Stanzi again.

It might be funny this time.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-18-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's funny because Flacco, prior to this last off-season, was also criminally underrated on this board. Hell, I would gladly give two first-round picks to acquire him, too.

And Matt Ryan is a better QB. Not really close, either. And Ryan definitively makes that team better. He is the key cog.

Flacco, yes. I'm not seeing what you guys see in Ryan. He's got elite receivers and still hasn't done anything special.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-18-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Now, Dane...let me ask you?

What the **** is wrong with YOU?

It seems my memory is JUST FINE...but yours, not so much.

Really? Your memory is fine? So, what did I REALLY say about Trent Green?

What did I REALLY say about Matt Ryan versus Jake Long?

You're full of shit.

O.city · 07-18-2013, 07:54 PM

If Koetter doesn't shit can that offense in the 2nd half against the 9ers, I think the Falcons win that one.

But they didn't.

In the end though, I don't think Matt Ryan is the problem in Atlanta, but you can't say he needs more weapons. He's gotta win in the postseason before you crown him anything.

It's weird though, in that I think he's a much better QB than Flacco, but Flacco makes plays and wins in the playoffs. Although there is probably an argument in there somewhere that Flacco has had better defenses to make plays for his team in the playoffs.

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's funny because Flacco, prior to this last off-season, was also criminally underrated on this board. Hell, I would gladly give two first-round picks to acquire him, too.

And Matt Ryan is a better QB. Not really close, either. And Ryan definitively makes that team better. He is the key cog.

No no no.

The all time leader in wins over his first 5 seasons is barely equal to the great Alex Smith and Jake Long has as much impact towards wins and losses as Matt Ryan.

Back to real life though, Matt Ryan is probably one of the best 5-6 quarterbacks in the NFL and I'd give up "whatever it takes" if there was a chance at trading for him while paying him 20 million per year WITHOUT HESITATION.

O.city · 07-18-2013, 07:57 PM

Best 5 or 6? Ehhhh, I dunno about that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-18-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

So, now you believe that nonsense again? That was quick.

I said it. It would be disingenuous not to own it.

Unlike you and Geno Smith and Stanzi. It's only taken YEARS for you to back off your Stanzi comments. How long will it take for you to recognize that the NFL views Smith differently than you?

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If you actually believe Alex Smith is equal to Matt Ryan, everything you post regarding football should be quickly disregarded.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

. But, go ahead and bring up Stanzi again.

It might be funny this time.

Why do you believe that you should get a pass for something you spewed on this forum for three years straight?

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Your memory is fine? So, what did I REALLY say about Trent Green?

What did I REALLY say about Matt Ryan versus Jake Long?

You're full of shit.

You can go ahead and put that shovel back in the shed.

The hole is deep enough.

**DeezNutz** · 07-18-2013, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Flacco, yes. I'm not seeing what you guys see in Ryan. He's got elite receivers and still hasn't done anything special.

Flacco is not even close to as talented a QB as Ryan, and we do have to use statistics to make this case.

Granted, Flacco certainly has the "it" thing going on, because he's won a lot since coming into the league; he's no scrub. Franchise QB.

But Ryan is just now entering his prime, and I'm confident that he'll post unbelievable numbers, with a shit ton of wins, over the next three years. No, he's not quite Rodgers, but he sure as hell isn't far off.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-18-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You can go ahead and put that shovel back in the shed.

The hole is deep enough.

You most certainly know what that feels like, don't you?

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Best 5 or 6? Ehhhh, I dunno about that.

I make that comment with no reservation.

In 2 years, he might be higher.

The dude holds the record for wins in a quarterbacks first 5 seasons and got 23 of those 56 wins ON GAME WINNING DRIVES. 17 were fourth quarter comebacks.

He has gotten better every year and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up in the HOF when he decides to hang em up.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-18-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Flacco is not even close to as talented a QB as Ryan, and we do have to use statistics to make this case.

Granted, Flacco certainly has the "it" thing going on, because he's won a lot since coming into the league; he's no scrub. Franchise QB.

But Ryan is just now entering his prime, and I'm confident that he'll post unbelievable numbers, with a shit ton of wins, over the next three years. No, he's not quite Rodgers, but he sure as hell isn't far off.

I see Ryan as a Trent Green, Matt Schaub type of QB. He is capable of lots of wins as long as he has plenty of talent around him. He can't manufacture wins and he's rarely put his team on his shoulders and come up with a big win against another good football team. His playoff record speaks for itself, as does Flacco's.

Once again, he's a very good QB but has yet to prove that he's Elite, IMO.

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I said it. It would be disingenuous not to own it.

Unlike you and Geno Smith and Stanzi. It's only taken YEARS for you to back off your Stanzi comments. How long will it take for you to recognize that the NFL views Smith differently than you?

Why do you believe that you should get a pass for something you spewed on this forum for three years straight?

So, you were admittedly being disingenuous a little while ago? Way to stand up and finally own it.

I don't flip flop often, I develop my own opinions and stand by them. Doing that means that I will have some swings and misses over the years.

The fact that you have to keep coming back to Stanzi is funny to me. It's not that I think I should get a pass...unlike yourself and Mecca, I am man enough to own up to my failures equally with my successes...it's that you obviously don't have much more material to resort to.

Don't stop.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Flacco is not even close to as talented a QB as Ryan, and we do have to use statistics to make this case.

Granted, Flacco certainly has the "it" thing going on, because he's won a lot since coming into the league; he's no scrub. Franchise QB.

But Ryan is just now entering his prime, and I'm confident that he'll post unbelievable numbers, with a shit ton of wins, over the next three years. No, he's not quite Rodgers, but he sure as hell isn't far off.

I agree with every word.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I see Ryan as a Trent Green, Matt Schaub type of QB. He is capable of lots of wins as long as he has plenty of talent around him. He can't manufacture wins and he's rarely put his team on his shoulders and come up with a big win against another good football team. His playoff record speaks for itself, as does Flacco's.

Once again, he's a very good QB but has yet to prove that he's Elite, IMO.

RARELY PUT HIS TEAM ON HIS SHOULDERS AND TOOK OVER GAMES???

HE HAS 23 GAME WINNING DRIVES IN HIS FIRST 5 SEASONS.

JFC

Put the shovel back in the shed.

**BossChief** · 07-18-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I see Ryan as a Trent Green, Matt Schaub type of QB. He is capable of lots of wins as long as he has plenty of talent around him. He can't manufacture wins and he's rarely put his team on his shoulders and come up with a big win against another good football team. His playoff record speaks for itself, as does Flacco's.

Once again, he's a very good QB but has yet to prove that he's Elite, IMO.

In the playoffs, Joe Flaccos defense has held teams to an average of 18 points per game.

Matt Ryans defense has averaged giving up 32 points in postseason play.

That might make a difference, ya know.

Sorter · 07-18-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

In the playoffs, Joe Flaccos defense has held teams to an average of 18 points per game.

Matt Ryans defense has averaged giving up 32 points in postseason play.

That might make a difference, ya know.

This is why bland stats are annoying. Just from looking at that, then yes, Ryan's been ****ed over by his D. However, (and I have no idea as to the validity of this, im merely making an example), you'd really have to look at each drove and the turnover/short drive/3&out rates. It could be that Ryan continually put his defense in shitty positions. Or it could not be.

Stats with context, that's how we improve.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2354064	If Koetter doesn't shit can that offense in the 2nd half against the 9ers, I think the Falcons win that one. But they didn't. In the end though, I don't think Matt Ryan is the problem in Atlanta, but you can't say he needs more weapons. He's gotta win in the postseason before you crown him anything. It's weird though, in that I think he's a much better QB than Flacco, but Flacco makes plays and wins in the playoffs. Although there is probably an argument in there somewhere that Flacco has had better defenses to make plays for his team in the playoffs.
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