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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 09-13-2017, 07:24 PM   #6526
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C - Salvy
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That's not a 90 or 100 loss lineup.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:25 PM   #6527
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:31 PM   #6528
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I'm still holding out hope for the Hos/Moose BFF package deal hometown discount bonanza.
Me too, but that light is getting dimmer every day.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:13 PM   #6529
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I always thought we'd have a better shot to re-sign those guys if we made the playoffs. That said, I still don't know what to expect with Moose. His power is legit, but power isn't going for what it used to because everyone is hitting 20 homers with the juiced ball. Plus, he's been hurt the last couple years, although both cases were completely freak accidents. It's still put a lot of miles on his legs going forward. His defensive WAR went negative for the first time this year.

Hosmer has hit like a superstar most of this year. I think they'll make a competitive offer for one of them, but maybe they'll just cut their losses and start over. If either Moose or Hos signed in KC they'd basically be heroes forever. They aren't going to trade that for money though.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:11 PM   #6531
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This may be tough for you to understand, but some people form things called "emotional bonds" - to each other, to coworkers and to places they live.

Really. We're not just virtue signaling. We actually like each other sometimes. Most of us wouldn't even push a coworker off a cliff if no one was around and we thought we could get away with it.

Let's try this. Imagine how you feel when you hear Trump talk about deporting little kids. That's how they feel when they see other people they call "friends".

Again, I don't expect you to get this on an experiential level. You're just going to have to try to reason your way through it.
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Really. We're not just virtue signaling. We actually like each other sometimes. Most of us wouldn't even push a coworker off a cliff if no one was around and we thought we could get away with it.

Let's try this. Imagine how you feel when you hear Trump talk about deporting little kids. That's how they feel when they see other people they call "friends".

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One concept I saw someone - perhaps Lesky - mention was moving Merrifield to CF next year. He thinks it is his best position.

Merrifield's offense paired with at least average CF defense would be a pretty valuable piece and make the loss of Cain a lot easier to stomach (while also buying buying time for the system to produce another CF).

The risk in this case would obviously be the Royals deciding to re-sign Escobar and going with him and Mondesi as the pairing up the middle.

Best case, Merrifield to CF, Mondesi is the next starting SS, and they're doing something different at 2B (someone like Brandon Phillips wouldn't break the bank and is still an average or better producer at the position).


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Hosmer and Moose are gone.
Hosmer is gone for sure, imo. I think Moose is re-signed. Worst case in '18, Cutty plays 1B. Potential Lineup:

C - Sal
1B - Cutty - Maybe Dozier?
2B - Whit
SS - Mondesi
3B - Moose
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CF - Gordon
RF - Boni
DH - Soler

We need to focus on rebuilding our pitching staff - which is absolute shit stain right now.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:09 AM   #6537
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Hosmer is gone for sure, imo. I think Moose is re-signed. Worst case in '18, Cutty plays 1B. Potential Lineup:



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2B - Whit

SS - Mondesi

3B - Moose

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RF - Boni

DH - Soler



We need to focus on rebuilding our pitching staff - which is absolute shit stain right now.

I'd leave Gordon in left and focus on adding a 2B, a 1B other than Hosmer (Logan Morrison?), and some starting pitching.

Alex Cobb is a free agent name that I think is interesting. And of course Otani would be the big prize.

I'd imagine Cobb, Phillips and Morrison could all be had for about the same $$$ annually as Hosmer will likely command (22-25 million).




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One concept I saw someone - perhaps Lesky - mention was moving Merrifield to CF next year. He thinks it is his best position.

Merrifield's offense paired with at least average CF defense would be a pretty valuable piece and make the loss of Cain a lot easier to stomach (while also buying buying time for the system to produce another CF).

The risk in this case would obviously be the Royals deciding to re-sign Escobar and going with him and Mondesi as the pairing up the middle.

Best case, Merrifield to CF, Mondesi is the next starting SS, and they're doing something different at 2B (someone like Brandon Phillips wouldn't break the bank and is still an average or better producer at the position).


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I'm going to laugh my ass off when they do this. Because knowing the Royals, they definitely will. They finally find a 2B, then they will re-sign Escobar and move Whitbird to CF. It's going to be hilarity at it's best.

There has never been a better time to get rid of Escobar, than now. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT RESIGN ALCIDES
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I'd leave Gordon in left and focus on adding a 2B, a 1B other than Hosmer (Logan Morrison?), and some starting pitching.

Alex Cobb is a free agent name that I think is interesting. And of course Otani would be the big prize.

I'd imagine Cobb, Phillips and Morrison could all be had for about the same $$$ annually as Hosmer will likely command (22-25 million).




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I'm fine with leaving Gordon in LF, if we re-sign a guy like Dyson from SEA to a 1-2-year deal. I hate the idea of moving Whit from 2B to CF. Kid is solid at 2B, why move him for a old-timer like BP? Not in love at all with Logan Morrison. Guy is having a career year for sure (hitting .245/.350/.520), but he's been marginally above a reserve level player most of his career, IMO. I think Cutty gets a solid look at 1B in Spring Training. Plus, he can relieve Moose at 3B.

I could absolutely rally around the idea of signing Alex Cobb. He's EXACTLY the type of pitcher we need to go after.
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I'd leave Gordon in left and focus on adding a 2B, a 1B other than Hosmer (Logan Morrison?), and some starting pitching.

Alex Cobb is a free agent name that I think is interesting. And of course Otani would be the big prize.

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Unless the Royals think they can contend in 2018, I would rather they did NOT spend money on free agents. Let the kids play.

C - Perez
1st - Cuthbert
2nd - Merrifield
SS - Mondesi
3rd - Dozier

A combination of these five in the outfield and DH.
Gordon, Orlando, Bonifacio, Soler, and Moss.

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