Let's talk about the ****ing Bills.

[Direckshun]

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

• The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
• He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

[DaBills]

Originally Posted by 505 Chief

WE LOVE KYLE ORTON AND MISS HIM DEARLY!

I'm not as familiar with Orton as you guys probably are so I'm not sure if that is sarcasm or not , He looks like the best QB to wear a Bills uniform since Bledsoe in 04. That really says more about our franchise then Orton though

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by DaBills

I'm not as familiar with Orton as you guys probably are so I'm not sure if that is sarcasm or not , He looks like the best QB to wear a Bills uniform since Bledsoe in 01. That really says more about our franchise then Orton though

We only had him for a few games but his legacy is everlasting.

In all serious, he played pretty well here...compared to Cassel he was a God.

[DaBills]

He actually looks like a respectable quarterback which is something we haven't had in 10 years. Sammy had like 150 yards and 1 TD with Manuel, since Orton's took over he's had like 400 yards and 4 td's.. We will see if he's foreal or not on Sunday though lol

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

We only had him for a few games but his legacy is everlasting.

In all serious, he played pretty well here...compared to Cassel he was a God.

This.

Guy was a perfect placeholder for KC until the next monster could be had.

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by DaBills

He actually looks like a respectable quarterback which is something we haven't had in 10 years. Sammy had like 150 yards and 1 TD with Manuel, since Orton's took over he's had like 400 yards and 4 td's.. We will see if he's foreal or not on Sunday though lol

Orton has always been good at moving the ball and putting up numbers, the problem most of his career has been shitting himself a lot in the redzone. The guy can win games though, especially against poor to average teams.

[DaBills]

Yeah compared to Manuel Orton is without a doubt, the lord and savior God himself.

[CoMoChief]

Fulton is going to get his shit pushed in tomorrow.

[diqlix]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Does this look like a typical rookie DT to you?





That's Logan Mankins that got schooled on that play.

Donald was a huge reason why the Ram were able to beat the Seahawks, he almost singlehandedly eliminated Marshawn Lynch from the equation; they simply couldn't block him.

He was also a huge reason why they beat the 49ers as well. He provided a ton of pressure inside and took up doubleteams to free up Quinn and the rest of the guys on that front. He was the one who made that goaline stand happen for them, he slammed the center Martin back into Kaepernick as soon as the ball moved, a big reason why Kaepernick fumbled that ball.

Its funny watching you try to pump up Donald.

He's a good rookie.

He's not Marcel Dareus.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaBills

He actually looks like a respectable quarterback which is something we haven't had in 10 years. Sammy had like 150 yards and 1 TD with Manuel, since Orton's took over he's had like 400 yards and 4 td's.. We will see if he's foreal or not on Sunday though lol

I've watched Orton throughout his career and you're right, he's the most proficient QB you've had since probably Kelly... he WILL throw to talented guys on the outside, if he thinks they're worth the risk, he's shown it all along.

FIRST game here he threw for 300+ in a win, he hadnt been here more than a month at that point and people like me were giddy, dude is much better than he gets credit for... but where he might grate on a team is his personality, if he isnt top dog it always reads like he's got a chip about it.

But bottom line, I knew replacing Manuel with him was a good move at the time and thats a fact, as soon as it was made I told this board... "you wait, he'll start stringing some wins together for that team and make them look respectable again".

Didnt ownership "promise" playoffs this year?

[DaBills]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I've watched Orton throughout his career and you're right, he's the most proficient QB you've had since probably Kelly... he WILL throw to talented guys on the outside, if he thinks they're worth the risk, he's shown it all along.

FIRST game here he threw for 300+ in a win, he hadnt been here more than a month at that point and people like me were giddy, dude is much better than he gets credit for... but where he might grate on a team is his personality, if he isnt top dog it always reads like he's got a chip about it.

But bottom line, I knew replacing Manuel with him was a good move at the time and thats a fact, as soon as it was made I told this board... "you wait, he'll start stringing some wins together for that team and make them look respectable again".

Didnt ownership "promise" playoffs this year?

I would say the best QB we have had since Bledsoe , 2004 he had a really good year and we SHOULD have made the playoffs... but couldn't beat Charlie Batch and the third string steelers . I don't remember anybody promising playoffs, but the mentality this year among fans and players is without a doubt playoffs or bust.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaBills

I would say the best QB we have had since Bledsoe , 2004 he had a really good year and we SHOULD have made the playoffs... but couldn't beat Charlie Batch and the third string steelers . I don't remember anybody promising playoffs, but the mentality this year among fans and players is without a doubt playoffs or bust.

I could swear promises were made about you guys making the playoffs this year, the owner saying things about how "the fans deserve this and were going to give it to them"... anyway, Orton was the right choice for you guys.

That doesnt mean Manuel is finished, it just means a steady vet is often worth his weight in gold.

[DaBills]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I could swear promises were made about you guys making the playoffs this year, the owner saying things about how "the fans deserve this and were going to give it to them"... anyway, Orton was the right choice for you guys.

That doesnt mean Manuel is finished, it just means a steady vet is often worth his weight in gold.

He is a brand new owner so who knows, maybe this year or he was talking about the immediate future. I know he said something like that in the chargers game... but man I just hope he's right, cause it's been 14 long years lmao

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaBills

He is a brand new owner so who knows, maybe this year or he was talking about the immediate future. I know he said something like that in the chargers game... but man I just hope he's right, cause it's been 14 long years lmao

Forgive me if my heart doesn't bleed for a Bills fan.

[DaBills]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Forgive me if my heart doesn't bleed for a Bills fan.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs players will have to give a Titans-like game effort with a San Francisco-like coached game plan in order to lose this game.

It's definitely a test for all involved.

I think this is a game the defense needs to take over because we will struggle to move the ball on them.

I REALLY don't like the matchup of our OL VS their DL. I can see us getting dominated.

I don't like our receivers vs their secondary, either.

Gonna be tough to run or pass.

We need our front 7 to turn the heat up and destroy Orton for us to have a good shot at winning..and I think that it's possible the defense scores more that the offense in this one...including turnovers in field goal range and turnovers that get returned to the house.

I can see a game here where our defense scores 2 tds and the offense scores 10.

Special teams are also gonna be a huge factor. We need to pin them back when we punt and we need to hit all of our field hoals.

Not much margin to work with.