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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-19-2015, 01:45 PM   #601
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It's not great, but JJ Cooper's remarks about it are worth watching.

I don't think THIS requires a sub.

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Last year he looked completely hopeless and overmatched. This year, he does not.

The hit tool has improved a lot, and if he can just be average or slightly below with the hit tool (35-40), Starling will be a quality MLB regular because of his power and defense and baserunning.

I don't think Starling is ready to be a star out of ST 2016, and I expect he'll struggle some at AAA when promoted, but he's come a long way. Basically, he's gone from looking like a guy who was so helpless at the plate he would NEVER get it, to looking like a guy who belongs.

That's more important, in sample sizes this small, than raw numbers.
From somebody who doesn't know much about the development of baseball players, would it be fair to say that his work in the majors might resemble Moustakas, who has taken awhile to figure out his bat and has faced a lot of ups and downs and frustrations from fans in his career thus far?
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:31 PM   #602
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Every team is represented but I just thought it was interesting so see the Royals theoretical moves from the exercise.
That's absolutely horrible. I'd be very, very displeased with some of those moves.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:31 PM   #603
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:32 PM   #604
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Gordon is a lot like Carl Crawford statistically. Here's what happened to him:

5 years before FA: 25 WAR
Turns 30
5 years after FA: 6 WAR


Yes, his age 30-34 seasons have produced a total of 6 WAR. All for the low low price of $97 million. He's got 2 more years at $42 million left.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:36 PM   #605
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That's pretty exciting re: Starling. That would be HUGE.


We would have a Hos, a Moose and a Bubba on our team.
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Gordon is a lot like Carl Crawford statistically. Here's what happened to him:

5 years before FA: 25 WAR
Turns 30
5 years after FA: 6 WAR


Yes, his age 30-34 seasons have produced a total of 6 WAR. All for the low low price of $97 million. He's got 2 more years at $42 million left.
Yep. If you give him a 5 year $100,000,000 contract, you're hoping to get $100,000,000 of value from him. When the bet case scenario is that you get fair value, it's a bad team for the team.
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Some how, some way, I will be there too. I HAVE to see that Championship banner raised.
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No. They won't raise division or AL banners.

Only the WORLD ****ING CHAMPIONS banner.

I wish it would actually say that.
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No. They won't raise division or AL banners.

Only the WORLD ****ING CHAMPIONS banner.

I wish it would actually say that.
I'd still love the Royals to march the trophy over to Noah Syndegaard and shove it in his face.
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I'd still love the Royals to march the trophy over to Noah Syndegaard and shove it in his face.
Or, Yordano (assuming opening day starter) starts off the season with a up and in fastball
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Gordon is a lot like Carl Crawford statistically. Here's what happened to him:

5 years before FA: 25 WAR
Turns 30
5 years after FA: 6 WAR


Yes, his age 30-34 seasons have produced a total of 6 WAR. All for the low low price of $97 million. He's got 2 more years at $42 million left.
I completely agree with the point you're making. I love Alex Gordon, but if some idiot GM offers him $100 million, he should take it and run.

I'd be happy for him in exactly the same way I'm happy for Billy Butler and the $30 million deal he got from Billy "most overrated GM in history" Beane.
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