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Old 06-26-2019, 10:06 AM   #1
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Chris Jones was on the field last year and the Defense was garbage.

The biggest difference maker is going to be the subtraction of Bob Sutton and the addition of a 4-3 scheme.

While I like Chris Jones, he doesn't have the leverage... see how he plays in the NFL under Spags... and if he will be worth it in the future.
Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:10 AM   #2
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Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?
Clark and Mathieu don't have reps of freelancing and leaving huge running lanes to pad their sack numbers.
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Clark and Mathieu don't have reps of freelancing and leaving huge running lanes to pad their sack numbers.
Chris Jones was not the reason our run defense sucked. You could form a decent list of reasons why it was so bad and Jones wouldn’t even be in the top five.

You guys are acting like Jones is Dee ****ing Ford terrible against the run.
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Chris Jones was not the reason our run defense sucked. You could form a decent list of reasons why it was so bad and Jones wouldn’t even be in the top five.

You guys are acting like Jones is Dee ****ing Ford terrible against the run.
Exactly. Run defense sucks so Jones free lancing narrative gets overblown.
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Chris Jones was not the reason our run defense sucked. You could form a decent list of reasons why it was so bad and Jones wouldn’t even be in the top five.

You guys are acting like Jones is Dee ****ing Ford terrible against the run.
When he guesses on a gap to get a sack and the team hands off and the guard is immediately on Hitchens and people are bitching about Hitchens....guess who's fault that 10 yard run actually was?
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Put yourself in Jones‘s shoes. Why does he have to prove what he will look like in this new system but Clark and Matheiu get paid top money without having played 1 down under Spags?
Jones can do whatever he wants. If I'm in his shoes, maybe I do the same thing.

I suppose I just trust Veach, he has all of the facts/details that we don't.
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Hill’s speed won’t decline before his second contract is up.
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Defensive lineman with whipsers of taking plays off or going off script don't exactly have a great track record of playing well after getting paid a monster deal.
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Defensive lineman with whipsers of taking plays off or going off script don't exactly have a great track record of playing well after getting paid a monster deal.
JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.
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JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.
You can get a bunch of sacks if it is all you are interested in....but how helpful are those sacks if you are doing it while leaving open huge running lanes?
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JFC you’re going full reerun with this one.

The guy didn’t rack up 15.5 sacks taking plays off regularly. Saying he played off script is one thing, even though I think that’s a bit overblown.

Jones is clearly a guy that plays hard and is a far cry from the Albert Haynesworth’s of the NFL. He’s played relatively well from day 1. Good grief this is an awful take.
Stop getting so emotional over this stuff.

It's ok to have discussions on this stuff without calling people ****ing idiots and reeruns.
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Stop getting so emotional over this stuff.

It's ok to have discussions on this stuff without calling people ****ing idiots and reeruns.


You’re a ****ing pussy dude, sorry, but it is what it is.
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You’re a ****ing pussy dude, sorry, but it is what it is.
I don't really care either way, just makes you come off as a 12 year old that isn't exactly intelligent.
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If you don’t want to be called a reerun or an idiot on CP, either stay away or don’t say obviously stupid shit. It’s really that simple.

Suggesting Jones is one of those guys that is just looking for a pay day means you haven’t paid any attention to the kind of kid he is whatsoever. He’s passionate, he wants to win, and he plays hard.
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If you don’t want to be called a reerun or an idiot on CP, either stay away or don’t say obviously stupid shit. It’s really that simple.

Suggesting Jones is one of those guys that is just looking for a pay day means you haven’t paid any attention to the kind of kid he is whatsoever. He’s passionate, he wants to win, and he plays hard.
Well to an extent he was, just like any player.

Teams don’t pay DL big money to be run stuffers. They want pressures, sacks, forced fumbles, etc.

I think Jones did intentionally try to rush on some plays to get sacks so he could push for more money. Absolutely nothing wrong with that bc we wall would be lying if we said that if we were him, we wouldn’t entertain that idea too.

I just don’t get it. People want to pay Fuller early and hold off on Jones when Fuller has shown nothing to deserve a top 10 corner contract.

Jones broke the record for most sacks in consecutive games. It’s like a lot of Chiefs fans don’t get how hard it is to find an interior DL who can do that.
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