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Old 11-30-2018, 06:14 PM  
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Ware & Hunt both at 4.7 YPC
Spencer Ware YPC 4.7, Yards per reception 11.6
Kareem Hunt YPC 4.7, Yards per reception 10.5

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Old 12-01-2018, 12:23 PM   #46
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All teams lose good players. It doesn’t keep them from wining a SB. Look at Philly last year or New England in 2016

Chiefs finally have elite QB play so it’s harder to sweat losing a RB, even a top 3 guy like Hunt
If Hunt is a top 3 guy, we'd REALLY be ****ed. Fortunately he isn't.

Hunt isn't irreplaceable long-term, IMO. But what he is is extremely difficult to replace NOW. On the fly. This is just a damn tough time to deal with this. He's a clear top 10 back and probably in that 5-6 range to me (I'd take Zeke, Gurley, Barkley and Kamara over him without question; there are 3-4 beyond that who are up for debate but I wouldn't argue wherever you placed him in that tier).

Ware is a fortunate fallback; a guy who's versed in the offense and physical with 25-30 yard ability; not a big play back but a guy who can pick/prod his way forward for a bit. He's a good backup. But he ISN'T the kind of guy that defenses worry about or gameplan for because he isn't a guy that's going to truly kill you unless you just screw up. So you play him straight. You can't do that with Hunt; Hunt can physically win a play even if you gameplan for him so you can't ever ignore him. Ware...eh, like I said; he'll just take what's there.

Funny - Ware is likely to be almost exactly who I thought Hunt would be coming out of the draft. A solid, physical runner who takes what's in front of him. Hunt proved to be more than I thought he could be but Ware we've seen at this level and he's had a major injury since. He's simply not anything special.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:25 PM   #47
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By that 'logic', literally anyone that made as much as a block that allowed a play to work better, in any drive that led to a touchdown, was 'directly responsible'.

That's a pretty shitty argument. The fact that a thread singing a player's virtues got one kinda sorta response pretty well supports that.
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The thing I remember about Ware is how tough he was after first hit. I like him in the fourth quarter pounding defenses.
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By that 'logic', literally anyone that made as much as a block that allowed a play to work better, in any drive that led to a touchdown, was 'directly responsible'.

That's a pretty shitty argument. The fact that a thread singing a player's virtues got one kinda sorta response pretty well supports that.
What happens if Ware fails to convert on either play?

KC still likely wins but it would be closer

I think your the one who is overrating the dropoff. Ware is a great back.

Runningbacks don’t win the AFC. Quarterbacks do, and we finally have one
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Ware is a Top 20 back - but Hunt is a legit talent. He is so hard to take down, and just seems to bonce off defenders. It's really an ability so few have. He's going to be missed - the good news is RBs dont matter as much in the NFL anymore.
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The thing I remember about Ware is how tough he was after first hit. I like him in the fourth quarter pounding defenses.
Pretty sure hunt led league in years after contact last year. Maybe it was broken tackles but the point stands. Ware isn't that guy. Never has been imo
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I remember in the Buffalo game where on two straight run plays Ware put both of there players out of the game and 1 ended up on IR. We need that Ware!
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Ware can't hold Hunts jock. He has 14 tds and is a force. Ware is a slow run of the mill nothing.
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What happens if Ware fails to convert on either play?

KC still likely wins but it would be closer

I think your the one who is overrating the dropoff. Ware is a great back.

Runningbacks don’t win the AFC. Quarterbacks do, and we finally have one
Ware is nothing resembling a 'great' back unless you thing Cam Erving is a 'great' guard and Chris Conley is a 'great' WR.

He's fine. He's quality depth. But the argument you're making can be made for literally every player that plays significant snaps. "What if X doesn't break up the pass or Y doesn't make a block?" It's ludicrous.

It doesn't make them 'directly responsible' for anything any more than Reiter not botching the snap on that play does.
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The thing I remember about Ware is how tough he was after first hit. I like him in the fourth quarter pounding defenses.
I Agree but unfortunately we have a coach that abandons the run in the fourth quarter.
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Ware is nothing resembling a 'great' back unless you thing Cam Erving is a 'great' guard and Chris Conley is a 'great' WR.

He's fine. He's quality depth. But the argument you're making can be made for literally every player that plays significant snaps. "What if X doesn't break up the pass or Y doesn't make a block?" It's ludicrous.

It doesn't make them 'directly responsible' for anything any more than Reiter not botching the snap on that play does.
I agree with you here DJ, but don’t you think getting back Morse, LDT, Watkins, and Berry can more than offset this loss with a solid replacement like Ware?

I still think we will be a better overall team come the playoffs if we get those guys back and are healthy going into the playoffs.
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I have confidence in Spencer.

It all dates back to that Bills game when we were getting pummelled in the first half. Wally put Spencer in and he single-handedly turned that game around with massive a-gap runs that sent a couple of Bills to the sideline to meditate on their career choice.

You go Spencer. Don't listen to the doubters. Just play your game.

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