Bob Sutton isn't the problem

[chiefzilla1501]

Hearing a lot of criticism of Sutton. Here's something interesting to consider. Sutton has been here 4 years. He's had 3 stretches where he's had to play some really bad cornerbacks:
-8 games with Marcus Cooper in 2013
-3-4 games in 2015 with Sean Smith out on injury, a rookie Marcus Peters, and Jamel Fleming getting picked on
-1 game this year with DJ White

Other than those 12-13 games, you know how many times Sutton gave up more than 20 points? 3 times. That means for 2/3 of the games, we've had a good to phenomenal defense.

For those who say he's shit the bed against great offenses. When he's had a mostly full cast, prior to this year he's done well against Pittsburgh twice, dominated NE (then did halfway decent in the playoffs against Denver), dominated San Diego almost every time, dominated Detroit, did very well against Seattle and Arizona. The only team that's had his number consistently outside of those 12-13 games is Peyton Manning.

I know he's flawed. When he has puke at the #2 CB, he can't adjust. But those who want him fired are spoiled. He's been awesome most of his time in KC.

[arrwheader]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-.../es.pn/2d32qvG


Chiefs' lack of depth at cornerback was exposed in Pittsburgh
8:28 AM CT
Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Not that he alone was going to prevent Sunday night’s debacle in Pittsburgh, but the Kansas City Chiefs missed injured starting cornerback Phillip Gaines.

Gaines, who tore his ACL last season, had a setback in practice last week. Coach Andy Reid called it a “tweak,” but it was enough of one that the Chiefs deactivated Gaines against the Steelers.

“I’m not going to say he reinjured it," Reid said. “Whatever it was, we just decided to back off there. That’s how these things sometimes work.”


The Chiefs are hoping to have Phillip Gaines back after the bye week. Erik Williams/USA TODAY Sports
Without Gaines, the Chiefs lack of depth at cornerback was exposed. Steven Nelson started and rookie D.J. White was the third cornerback. White received his first extended playing time, and saying it didn’t go well is putting it kindly.

This is where the failure with this year's third-round draft pick, KeiVarae Russell, hurts the Chiefs. Russell was buried on the depth chart at the end of training camp and the Chiefs released him.

As a third-round pick, Russell should have been advanced enough to help in a pinch in a situation such as the one the Chiefs were faced with in Pittsburgh. But the Chiefs instead whiffed on the pick.

Even without Russell, it looked like the Chiefs had some depth at corner heading into the season. They felt comfortable moving a couple of cornerbacks, Jamell Fleming and rookie Eric Murray, to safety. Fleming has since been released.

They also traded Marcus Cooper, their most experienced cornerback, to the Arizona Cardinals.

But they were left with a bunch of young cornerbacks: Gaines, Nelson, White, Marcus Peters and Kenneth Acker. Without a true veteran in the bunch, the Chiefs should have expected the occasional rotten game.

That’s what they got in Pittsburgh.

Gaines could be back in time for the Chiefs’ next game on Oct. 16 against the Raiders in Oakland. If he’s not, or if the Chiefs have another cornerback injury somewhere else along the way, they got a glimpse in Pittsburgh of what that grim reality might be like.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-.../es.pn/2d32qvG


Chiefs' lack of depth at cornerback was exposed in Pittsburgh
8:28 AM CT
Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Not that he alone was going to prevent Sunday night’s debacle in Pittsburgh, but the Kansas City Chiefs missed injured starting cornerback Phillip Gaines.

Gaines, who tore his ACL last season, had a setback in practice last week. Coach Andy Reid called it a “tweak,” but it was enough of one that the Chiefs deactivated Gaines against the Steelers.

“I’m not going to say he reinjured it," Reid said. “Whatever it was, we just decided to back off there. That’s how these things sometimes work.”


The Chiefs are hoping to have Phillip Gaines back after the bye week. Erik Williams/USA TODAY Sports
Without Gaines, the Chiefs lack of depth at cornerback was exposed. Steven Nelson started and rookie D.J. White was the third cornerback. White received his first extended playing time, and saying it didn’t go well is putting it kindly.

This is where the failure with this year's third-round draft pick, KeiVarae Russell, hurts the Chiefs. Russell was buried on the depth chart at the end of training camp and the Chiefs released him.

As a third-round pick, Russell should have been advanced enough to help in a pinch in a situation such as the one the Chiefs were faced with in Pittsburgh. But the Chiefs instead whiffed on the pick.

Even without Russell, it looked like the Chiefs had some depth at corner heading into the season. They felt comfortable moving a couple of cornerbacks, Jamell Fleming and rookie Eric Murray, to safety. Fleming has since been released.

They also traded Marcus Cooper, their most experienced cornerback, to the Arizona Cardinals.

But they were left with a bunch of young cornerbacks: Gaines, Nelson, White, Marcus Peters and Kenneth Acker. Without a true veteran in the bunch, the Chiefs should have expected the occasional rotten game.

That’s what they got in Pittsburgh.

Gaines could be back in time for the Chiefs’ next game on Oct. 16 against the Raiders in Oakland. If he’s not, or if the Chiefs have another cornerback injury somewhere else along the way, they got a glimpse in Pittsburgh of what that grim reality might be like.

It's not a surprise to people who complained about not doing anything for our secondary or pass rush before the season even started.

[The Franchise]

Has Acker even played a significant number of snaps?

[arrwheader]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-.../es.pn/2d32qvG


Chiefs' lack of depth at cornerback was exposed in Pittsburgh
8:28 AM CT
Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Not that he alone was going to prevent Sunday night’s debacle in Pittsburgh, but the Kansas City Chiefs missed injured starting cornerback Phillip Gaines.

Gaines, who tore his ACL last season, had a setback in practice last week. Coach Andy Reid called it a “tweak,” but it was enough of one that the Chiefs deactivated Gaines against the Steelers.

“I’m not going to say he reinjured it," Reid said. “Whatever it was, we just decided to back off there. That’s how these things sometimes work.”


The Chiefs are hoping to have Phillip Gaines back after the bye week. Erik Williams/USA TODAY Sports
Without Gaines, the Chiefs lack of depth at cornerback was exposed. Steven Nelson started and rookie D.J. White was the third cornerback. White received his first extended playing time, and saying it didn’t go well is putting it kindly.

This is where the failure with this year's third-round draft pick, KeiVarae Russell, hurts the Chiefs. Russell was buried on the depth chart at the end of training camp and the Chiefs released him.

As a third-round pick, Russell should have been advanced enough to help in a pinch in a situation such as the one the Chiefs were faced with in Pittsburgh. But the Chiefs instead whiffed on the pick.

Even without Russell, it looked like the Chiefs had some depth at corner heading into the season. They felt comfortable moving a couple of cornerbacks, Jamell Fleming and rookie Eric Murray, to safety. Fleming has since been released.

They also traded Marcus Cooper, their most experienced cornerback, to the Arizona Cardinals.

But they were left with a bunch of young cornerbacks: Gaines, Nelson, White, Marcus Peters and Kenneth Acker. Without a true veteran in the bunch, the Chiefs should have expected the occasional rotten game.

That’s what they got in Pittsburgh.

Gaines could be back in time for the Chiefs’ next game on Oct. 16 against the Raiders in Oakland. If he’s not, or if the Chiefs have another cornerback injury somewhere else along the way, they got a glimpse in Pittsburgh of what that grim reality might be like.

Chiefs getting torched was going to happen regardless. We have a young secondary and no depth. Sean smith leaving and shipping our other veteran cooper to the cardinals, as well as whiffing on that russel pick is why we got torched from pitts high powered offense. Couple that with Alex Smiths limitations you get a blowout.

[Titty Meat]

Glad we burned two 3rd round picks

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Chiefs getting torched was going to happen regardless. We have a young secondary and no depth. Sean smith leaving and shipping our other veteran cooper to the cardinals, as well as whiffing on that russel pick is why we got torched from pitts high powered offense. Couple that with Alex Smiths limitations you get a blowout.

This team made a strategic decision to balance offense vs defense. The thinking was that if you give Andy and Alex more weapons, they'll rely less on the defense to carry games. Problem is, our defense got worse and our offense stayed the same if not worse.

So now I'm looking at the Schwartz, Maclin, fisher, Kelce mega contracts, not to mention the option we had to cut charles' contract, and wondering what a different place this team would be in if we used that for even just one or two defensive backs. Not to mention making some kind of attempt to eventually replace Hali.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

NFL network "I don't know who's idea it was to run cover 0 against one of the best offenses in the NFL, but it wasn't a smart move, Big Ben took advantage of it."

Interesting. I've watched every Pitt snap a second time, and KC never ran cover 0 vs any of the deep plays. Not much blitzing at all TBH.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Glad we burned two 3rd round picks

3rd rounders fail at like something of a 75% clip after two seasons anyway, Bill.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Chiefs' lack of depth at cornerback was exposed in Pittsburgh

So glad we kept DaT on the roster.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Sure glad we kept DaT on the roster.

Easily the most WTF roster decision Dorsey has made.

What does D'AT do that Hill can't do? If D'AT is worth keeping, is it really worth keeping Wilson considering they are somewhat similar in terms of what they present as players..?

[RunKC]

It's not just the corners though. We have 5 sacks. That's tied for 2nd to last.

[jspchief]

At least we traded out of the first and drafted a player that gets 20 snaps per game.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Yes Sutton is part of the problem. He overworked Dontari to the point where Poe had to have back surgery due to a herniated disc

BB never took Wilfork out in his prime either.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jspchief

At least we traded out of the first and drafted a player that gets 20 snaps per game.

Almost forgot about that.

Too early to judge a DL but he certainly hasn't made an immediate impact.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by ASS11

Almost forgot about that.

Too early to judge a DL but he certainly hasn't made an immediate impact.

Yeah I'm not judging Jones, but we're sitting here talking about the lack of depth at CB and pass rusher while the Chiefs highest draft pick this year is averaging 20 snaps per game.

And it's not like the CB issue came out of nowhere. I'm not the only one that said that the loss of Smith left nothing but unknown players at the position... now people want to say playing a rookie CB is an excuse, like the organization isn't responsible for the team having nothing but a rookie to put out there.