Chiefs Jamaal Charles Injury Could Signal End of an Era for Kansas City Chiefs - Page 4

oaklandhater · 10-12-2015, 02:46 AM

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The Kansas City Chiefs didn't just lose a battle with the Chicago Bears on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, but with star running back Jamaal Charles suffering what appears to be a season-ending knee injury, the Chiefs might also have lost the war.

Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the team announced following the heartbreaking 18-17 loss that initial reports indicate Charles tore his right ACL in the third quarter, which would almost certainly spell an early end to the perennial Pro Bowler's eighth NFL season.

And considering Charles is by far the most electric player on an offense that lacks electricity, that would also spoil any hope the Chiefs might be able to fight back from a 1-4 start in the tough AFC West.

Charles wasn't just the best thing the Chiefs had going on offense, but he was pretty close to the only thing they had going for them on that side of the ball.

Checkdown-happy quarterback Alex Smith, who completed just 16-of-30 passes for 181 yards in Sunday's loss, has clear limitations, and top receiving options Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce are supposed to be key cogs but aren't the types of players who can carry an offense.

And while these types of situations can sometimes give life to backup running backs who shock the world, the Chiefs might not want to get their hopes up on Charcandrick West and Knile Davis, who had just 33 yards on nine carries in relief of the star on Sunday. West was undrafted out of Abilene Christian last year, while Davis has averaged just 3.4 yards per carry three years into his career.

Meanwhile, Charles entered Sunday's game averaging 5.2 yards per rushing attempt, which ranked second in football among 21 backs with at least 50 carries in the first four weeks.

jimidollar · 10-12-2015, 09:26 AM

He just doesn't have the numbers at this point.

**bevischief** · 10-12-2015, 09:27 AM

Playing the game is overrated.

BlackHelicopters · 10-12-2015, 09:27 AM

The BBQ in the parking lot is always good.

ThaVirus · 10-12-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Orthopedic surgeon tweeted that the chance of tearing an ACL in football is 1 in 1750. If you've torn an ACL....you've got a 1 in 33 chance of tearing the opposite ACL.

I'm still holding onto hope.

LCL sprain. Nothing major.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-12-2015, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Not sure I believe this. How was West in relief? Haven't heard many accolades for him today. I might be wrong

West averaged 4.4 yards per carry yesterday and looked good in relief.

The ground game should be the least of their worries.

**notorious** · 10-12-2015, 09:36 AM

I agree. West will be just fine.

GoShox · 10-12-2015, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Not sure I believe this. How was West in relief? Haven't heard many accolades for him today. I might be wrong

I think West is gonna end up being really good.

**notorious** · 10-12-2015, 09:40 AM

West is shifty and patient.

He just looks right. We will see if he can handle the 8-9 man boxes throughout the game and get no help from the play calls or QB.

Three7s · 10-12-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

West is shifty and patient.

He just looks right. We will see if he can handle the 8-9 man boxes throughout the game and get no help from the play calls or QB.

Think back to Thurman Thomas. Smooth hands in the passing game, knows how to cut and shift to force the defender into making a tough tackle, and good open-field speed once he gets to the 2nd level. Unlike Charles, however, the O-line will need to block for him.

Eleazar · 10-12-2015, 09:43 AM

Charles has now had his second injury to the same knee, and will turn 30 next year. It's probably time to consider that when this team is next ready to compete, Charles is unlikely to be the feature back.

But feature backs are getting rarer and rarer these days. If you have a quality line, RBBC isn't going to hold you back.

There's no reason to spend higher round draft picks on running backs these days. Fix the oline, plug in some UDFAs or mid/low round picks and go.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-12-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Charles has now had his second injury to the same knee

Charles tore his left ACL in 2011.

Yesterday, he likely tore his right ACL.

Eleazar · 10-12-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Charles tore his left ACL in 2011.

Yesterday, he likely tore his right ACL.

My mistake. In any case, two major knee injuries.

Saccopoo · 10-12-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

If you don't have a QB nothing matters. Until the Chiefs have a GM that tells Clark to sell out and get a QB nothing will change.

Draft one in the first round and the 3rd round. Sign a vet for back up duty. If said QB's suck, then do it again 3 years later. I don't care if the next Reggie White and Randy Moss are on the board. In the NFL QB IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

It affects both sides of the ball. Offense, its obvious, but the defense needs to believe in the QB as well, If they don't you get shit play like we have seen.

That's great and all, but spending a first on a QB in the first just to pick one in the first isn't a sure fire way to ensure that you just picked John Elway.

If you remember, Alex Smith was a first round QB. And, at the college level, he was a better QB on the field than any of the potential first round talents in the 2016 draft. Truth.

You take the best player available. You don't take a QB because the casual fan thinks you need to take a first round QB.

In fact, in the modern era (since 2000) the vast majority of first round QB's have been complete busts. Even one of the heroes of CP, Matt Stafford, just got benched this past week because he's been nothing but terrible for the majority of his career.

I have no doubt that Dorsey will pick a QB when one is there that fits his parameters and is higher on the board than other players. In the first 2+ seasons, he's completely revamped the position, bringing in Smith and Daniel, signing Bray as a rookie and drafting Murray.

No, none of them were a first round pick, but neither was Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc. However, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinhart, Kyle Boller, etc., were.

This complete and utter fixation on what round a guy gets picked needs to slow it's roll.

What they do need to do is really focus on transition this off season, particularly in the draft, and make the necessary steps to get a guy who they feel will be a guy who can start progressing into a starter within a year or two. I don't know if that's Murray, who did have a stellar college career at Georgia, or if it's a player in the upcoming next two drafts.

But Dorsey hasn't shied away from the position whatsoever.

Smith was as good as it's been over the past three seasons (one can make the argument that passing on Bridgewater but he's not been overly stellar the past two years, basically averaging a pick per TD while showing average/medial level NFL game skills at best) in terms of getting a 2-14 ship righted. However, he is struggling right now and a move needs to be made in terms of moving forward at the position.

Smith is struggling during games right now and I don't think that the problems are necessarily with the offensive line versus Smith himself. You think you know what Daniel is, but he's only been given a few chances to really start in an NFL game. Give him a shot. Also, maybe, with the team at 1-4, it's time to see what they have in Murray. He's in year two and it would be a good opportunity to see if he has what it takes to be a NFL level QB. If he doesn't show the potential, they need to address the position in next several drafts each draft to make sure that they get someone in who will eventually get to the level of top 15 NFL starting QB.

But that doesn't mean blowing a first on the position just to blow a first on the position because some dipshit draftnik site lists a dude in their top 3.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-12-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

That's great and all, but spending a first on a QB in the first just to pick one in the first isn't a sure fire way to ensure that you just picked John Elway.

If you remember, Alex Smith was a first round QB. And, at the college level, he was a better QB on the field than any of the potential first round talents in the 2016 draft. Truth.

You take the best player available. You don't take a QB because the casual fan thinks you need to take a first round QB.

In fact, in the modern era (since 2000) the vast majority of first round QB's have been complete busts. Even one of the heroes of CP, Matt Stafford, just got benched this past week because he's been nothing but terrible for the majority of his career.

I have no doubt that Dorsey will pick a QB when one is there that fits his parameters and is higher on the board than other players. In the first 2+ seasons, he's completely revamped the position, bringing in Smith and Daniel, signing Bray as a rookie and drafting Murray.

No, none of them were a first round pick, but neither was Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc. However, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinhart, Kyle Boller, etc., were.

This complete and utter fixation on what round a guy gets picked needs to slow it's roll.

What they do need to do is really focus on transition this off season, particularly in the draft, and make the necessary steps to get a guy who they feel will be a guy who can start progressing into a starter within a year or two. I don't know if that's Murray, who did have a stellar college career at Georgia, or if it's a player in the upcoming next two drafts.

But Dorsey hasn't shied away from the position whatsoever.

Smith was as good as it's been over the past three seasons (one can make the argument that passing on Bridgewater but he's not been overly stellar the past two years, basically averaging a pick per TD while showing average/medial level NFL game skills at best) in terms of getting a 2-14 ship righted. However, he is struggling right now and a move needs to be made in terms of moving forward at the position.

Smith is struggling during games right now and I don't think that the problems are necessarily with the offensive line versus Smith himself. You think you know what Daniel is, but he's only been given a few chances to really start in an NFL game. Give him a shot. Also, maybe, with the team at 1-4, it's time to see what they have in Murray. He's in year two and it would be a good opportunity to see if he has what it takes to be a NFL level QB. If he doesn't show the potential, they need to address the position in next several drafts each draft to make sure that they get someone in who will eventually get to the level of top 15 NFL starting QB.

But that doesn't mean blowing a first on the position just to blow a first on the position because some dipshit draftnik site lists a dude in their top 3.

We almost had Manziel. Truth is the Browns moved right in front of us to get him.

Manziel under Reid would have been majical. I know a lot don't like Manziel but he got drafted by the Browns where drafted QB's go to die.

Reid may have utilized his talents and not tried to change him and a spectacular career would have developed before our very eyes.

**notorious** · 10-12-2015, 10:24 AM

Hog is on a roll.

10-12-2015, 02:46 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7428993	Jamaal Charles Injury Could Signal End of an Era for Kansas City Chiefs http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs didn't just lose a battle with the Chicago Bears on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, but with star running back Jamaal Charles suffering what appears to be a season-ending knee injury, the Chiefs might also have lost the war. Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the team announced following the heartbreaking 18-17 loss that initial reports indicate Charles tore his right ACL in the third quarter, which would almost certainly spell an early end to the perennial Pro Bowler's eighth NFL season. And considering Charles is by far the most electric player on an offense that lacks electricity, that would also spoil any hope the Chiefs might be able to fight back from a 1-4 start in the tough AFC West. Charles wasn't just the best thing the Chiefs had going on offense, but he was pretty close to the only thing they had going for them on that side of the ball. Checkdown-happy quarterback Alex Smith, who completed just 16-of-30 passes for 181 yards in Sunday's loss, has clear limitations, and top receiving options Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce are supposed to be key cogs but aren't the types of players who can carry an offense. And while these types of situations can sometimes give life to backup running backs who shock the world, the Chiefs might not want to get their hopes up on Charcandrick West and Knile Davis, who had just 33 yards on nine carries in relief of the star on Sunday. West was undrafted out of Abilene Christian last year, while Davis has averaged just 3.4 yards per carry three years into his career. Meanwhile, Charles entered Sunday's game averaging 5.2 yards per rushing attempt, which ranked second in football among 21 backs with at least 50 carries in the first four weeks.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Charles has now had his second injury to the same knee, and will turn 30 next year. It's probably time to consider that when this team is next ready to compete, Charles is unlikely to be the feature back. But feature backs are getting rarer and rarer these days. If you have a quality line, RBBC isn't going to hold you back. There's no reason to spend higher round draft picks on running backs these days. Fix the oline, plug in some UDFAs or mid/low round picks and go.
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