Chiefs Knile Davis: No gap between Jamaal Charles and me - Page 4

ThaVirus · 06-10-2015, 12:54 PM

Knile Davis: No 'gap' between Jamaal Charles and me

By Marc Sessler

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Chiefs back Knile Davis does not lack for confidence.

The third-year runner swatted down the idea that Kansas City can't afford to rest Jamaal Charles come September, saying that he is every bit the equal of the All-Pro back.

"I don't feel like there's a gap," Davis said this week, per ESPN.com's Adam Teicher.

There certainly is a gap -- statistically, a vast one -- but who can fault Davis for showing confidence? Besides, he's rarely been given a chance at the lead role, starting just a pair of games over his first two NFL seasons. His 3.5 yards per tote off 204 attempts, though, is a far cry from the 5.5 yards per rush that Charles has churned out over seven outstanding seasons.

"He's the starter. It's his time. I'm waiting (until) my time," Davis said, adding that he doesn't doubt that Charles can fulfill his goal of playing another six years.

If that's the plan in K.C., Davis will need to earn a starting gig elsewhere to show off what he can do. As of today, we're comfortable calling him the clear-cut second option for a Chiefs outfit that plans to run the ball a ton this season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-10-2015, 03:09 PM

****ing idiot has a career 3.5 YPC average. He needs to get to NFL average before he starts thinking about Jamaal.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It's a counter and 2 defenders were filling the hole you think you see.

The play was designed to go where it went and Kelce whiffed on his block. If Kelce seals that edge, Davis might score on a long run.

Im not talking about the hole that opened on the counter. Im talking about hole he juked himself out of.

Kelce Missed a block...ok...doesn't mean he needs to slide right into the defender.

It's called Vision.Not every play is going to be blocked the way it's drawn up. Adjust and hit the gap given to you....don't dance right into the freaking defender.

It's a shit play by Knile. No need to defend it.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2015, 03:22 PM

There's no way #56 stops him from getting the first. All Knile needed was inches. His forward momentum would've gotten him the first.

The block was missed, Knile had a choice to make and he tried to juke to the outside instead of hitting the gap in front of him.

O.city · 06-10-2015, 03:25 PM

It's an counter trap play. He's following blockers.

Situation wise, he should have just fallen forward in that hole but it was closed pretty quickly. Frankly, on 3rd and short, gotta question why we are calling an outside counter like that.

**BossChief** · 06-10-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Im not talking about the hole that opened on the counter. Im talking about hole he juked himself out of.

Kelce Missed a block...ok...doesn't mean he needs to slide right into the defender.

It's called Vision.Not every play is going to be blocked the way it's drawn up. Adjust and hit the gap given to you....don't dance right into the freaking defender.

It's a shit play by Knile. No need to defend it.

I know what you're talking about and I'm just saying he didn't "dance out of a hole" he ran the ball where the play was designed for it to go. It's a counter. The "dance" is basically a play fake for a running play. It's in the plays design for the ball to go left.

But let's say he shoots straight up the field...there are still 2 defenders filling the hole.

No guarantee he picks up the first...but by following his block, he has a chance to score.

O.city · 06-10-2015, 03:28 PM

He could have fallen forward and probably gotten the first down in that hole.

I'm not sure why were running a play on 3rd and short taht requires Kelce to seal Sio Moore, guess we're trying to hit a home run.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's an counter trap play. He's following blockers.

Situation wise, he should have just fallen forward in that hole but it was closed pretty quickly. Frankly, on 3rd and short, gotta question why we are calling an outside counter like that.

There was no blocker to follow. Kelce blew it from the get-go. Knile has to be aware that shuffling your feet horizontaly and hopping right into a defender is a poor choice. Simply pushing forward woulda at least given him a chance at a 1st, rather than a 2-3 yard loss.

**BossChief** · 06-10-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

There's no way #56 stops him from getting the first. All Knile needed was inches. His forward momentum would've gotten him the first.

The block was missed, Knile had a choice to make and he tried to juke to the outside instead of hitting the gap in front of him.

It's a counter, he didn't try to juke outside.

FFS look at the blocking.

Mr. Laz · 06-10-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

87 missed his block and while it made Davis looked bad, I blame Andy for the poor call.

Doesn't matter

Davis had a 1st down right in front of him and didn't take it. If he breaks a tackle on that play he probably has a touchdown because the defense was up.

**BossChief** · 06-10-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He could have fallen forward and probably gotten the first down in that hole.

I'm not sure why were running a play on 3rd and short taht requires Kelce to seal Sio Moore, guess we're trying to hit a home run.

Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I know what you're talking about and I'm just saying he didn't "dance out of a hole" he ran the ball where the play was designed for it to go. It's a counter. The "dance" is basically a play fake for a running play. It's in the plays design for the ball to go left.

But let's say he shoots straight up the field...there are still 2 defenders filling the hole.

No guarantee he picks up the first...but by following his block, he has a chance to score.

There was no block to follow on the outside, FFS, Kelce completely whiffed. He wasn't following shit.

He saw the hole there, he hesitated, and chose to try and bounce it to the outside anyway instead of simply pushing forward. The end.

Poor play by Knile. And the two defenders there aren't in position to stop his momentum from getting a few inches.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

Excuses. He ****ed up. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing. He had a hole, he didn't take it. That's the bottom line.

I'm pretty sure he's not coached to hesitate, shuffle his feet and hop right into a defender's arms.

ThaVirus · 06-10-2015, 03:44 PM

I don't particularly like the counter call in a short yardage situation, but I understand it. You're not likely to find a better opportunity to catch the opponent being overly aggressive than on a 3rd and 1 situation. At the very least, you hope your guys can execute properly and squeak out enough for the 1st down. At best, you catch the defense with its pants down and rip them for a huge gain.

I will say, though, that this particular game probably wasn't the best for the call. It was wet as hell, the Raider's field is an absolute shitpile, and our offensive line blows. Reid was asking for trouble here.

O.city · 06-10-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Excuses. He ****ed up. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing. He had a hole, he didn't take it. That's the bottom line.

I'm pretty sure he's not coached to hesitate, shuffle his feet and hop right into a defender's arms.

It's supposed to be a run to the outside. He didn't shuffle and decide to bounce it, it's designed to go outside of Kelce sealing moore.

ThaVirus · 06-10-2015, 03:47 PM

I'd like to see Knile act his weight. You'd think he were DAT's size the way he dances around sometimes.

Use that 230 lbs and blazing speed to punish some people.

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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $3874563	There's no way #56 stops him from getting the first. All Knile needed was inches. His forward momentum would've gotten him the first. The block was missed, Knile had a choice to make and he tried to juke to the outside instead of hitting the gap in front of him. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2294064	It's an counter trap play. He's following blockers. Situation wise, he should have just fallen forward in that hole but it was closed pretty quickly. Frankly, on 3rd and short, gotta question why we are calling an outside counter like that.
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06-10-2015, 03:28 PM	#51
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2294064	He could have fallen forward and probably gotten the first down in that hole. I'm not sure why were running a play on 3rd and short taht requires Kelce to seal Sio Moore, guess we're trying to hit a home run.
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06-10-2015, 03:44 PM	#58
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1522369	I don't particularly like the counter call in a short yardage situation, but I understand it. You're not likely to find a better opportunity to catch the opponent being overly aggressive than on a 3rd and 1 situation. At the very least, you hope your guys can execute properly and squeak out enough for the 1st down. At best, you catch the defense with its pants down and rip them for a huge gain. I will say, though, that this particular game probably wasn't the best for the call. It was wet as hell, the Raider's field is an absolute shitpile, and our offensive line blows. Reid was asking for trouble here.
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06-10-2015, 03:47 PM	#60
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1522369	I'd like to see Knile act his weight. You'd think he were DAT's size the way he dances around sometimes. Use that 230 lbs and blazing speed to punish some people.
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