Grading Dorsey's Trades with the Chiefs

[Dante84]

To date, here are the trades made under Dorsey’s reign…

1. Chiefs trade 2013 and 2014 second-round picks to 49ers for quarterback Alex Smith: The picks would eventually become wide receivers Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer. While both had some hype coming out of college, neither has been particularly productive in the NFL. Smith, meanwhile, has led the Chiefs to their first, back-to-back winning seasons since ’05 and ’06. Winner: Chiefs

2. Chiefs trade cornerback Javier Arenas to Cardinals for fullback Anthony Sherman: Arenas became a depth and role player for the Cardinals for one year before being let go. He spent 2014 in Atlanta and is currently a free agent. Sherman has been one of the best fullbacks in the NFL over the last two years. Winner: Chiefs

3. Chiefs trade linebacker Edgar Jones and 2014 seventh-round pick to Cowboys for 2014 sixth-round pick: The Cowboys used the pick on another linebacker, Will Smith. Neither Jones or Smith is still on the Dallas roster. The Chiefs used their pick on Zach Fulton, who started at offensive guard for the entire 2014 NFL season, and may reprise that role this year. Winner: Chiefs

4. Chiefs trade offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for defensive back Kelcie McCray: Johnson has bounced around training camps since the trade (five teams in under a year). McCray was a valuable special teams player. He is in the mix again this year. Winner: Chiefs

5. Chiefs trade 2015 fifth-round pick to Saints for Ben Grubbs: The Saints would use this pick on defensive tackle Tyeler Davison. The Saints would also later sign Chiefs guard Mike McGlynn. Grubbs is the only guaranteed starter on the Kansas City offensive line at this point. Winner: TBD…but hard to imagine it won’t be the Chiefs.

6. Chiefs trade 2015 third- and sixth-round picks to Vikings for 2015 third-round pick: The picks the Chiefs gave up turned into cornerback Alex Carter and defensive end BJ Dubose. The Chiefs used their acquired pick on wide receiver Chris Conley. The results of this trade will play out over the next year or so. Winner: TBD

By no means is this a large number of trades. The Chiefs have actually been one of the least likely teams to try and move around in the draft. However, when talking about player-for-player trades, Dorsey has resurrected a practice that had largely been abandoned by the rest of the league. Dorsey also shows a penchant for moving picks for players. And in each case except the Edgar Jones trade, the move was made with the intent of acquiring a specific player. And so far, that list shows that Dorsey knows exactly what he’s doing every time he makes a trade. Dorsey understands how to use his assets to obtain better options for the team.

The truly interesting trend of Dorsey’s trading habits is that he has made a player-for-player trade in each of the first two seasons of his tenure. While that is hardly a long enough stretch to make any scientific prediction, it does lend some credence to the idea that Kansas City will look to do the same this year. And why not? If you have a player that might not make the team, or is just wasting cap space on your depth chart, why not try to move him for someone that may have more of an impact?

Dorsey has touched on this before. Prior to the draft, when asked about moving picks, the Chiefs general manager said: “We have called around to express interest just to let everybody know we can talk…Let’s have an open line of communication. Whatever you have to offer, let’s talk about it.”

While that was specifically a reference to trading picks, it has been pretty obvious that he has the same policy across the board. Shortly before that interview, Dorsey had just locked up a trade with the Saints that brought Grubbs to Kansas City.

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

The blind Smith hate has rendered this place almost unbearable. Between that and the profusion of "look at me!" threads, Bob Dole has about half the people and topics on ignore.

Did somebody say something? My filters are turned on...

Seriously tho, I feel compelled to agree, completely. I know to turn back from a thread when i open it and half the responses are on ignore. It happens often sadly...

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Regarding the OP article, most of those trades are wins, even if marginal. It does show a GM with some ability to optimize some assets. Partner the trades with some nice scrap heap acquisitions and it looks like he knows what he's doing. Some of the actual draft choices still are TBD for sure.

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I am just being a pain in the ass. I don't hate Alex. But his presence on this team has increased my apathy for the Chiefs. I just don't think he will ever take us to the promised land.

Now onto the QB trade, and I like the Q you raise here. How many QBs in the league today, can football fans in general (NOT homer fans) would you feel truly can lead their team to the SB?
Disclaimer: I know Dolphin fans would skew in favor of Tannehill can lead them to the SB, but I'm asking for how many do fans collectively, removing homervision bias, feel pretty solid they can lead their teams to the show? Not will, can.

For me, my list follows (not in any real order):

Brady
Wilson
Manning
Flacco
Rodgers
Luck
Booger
Brees
Rivers
Manning, the other one

Stretching a bit on these next few, but I could see it happening...

Bridgewater
Romo
Smith, yes, that one
Stafford
Ryan
Palmer

Left out...

Kaepernick, yea i know he's been there, but he ain't gettin back
Cutler, please
Cam, no
Tannehill, don't see it
Dalton,
RG3, yea right

most others are too young to predict (Bridgewater exception, i could see it happening), or just suck

so yea i could see Alex Smith getting us there, but it's no gimme. that 2nd list pretty much needs many other things to go right, above their own performance.

I would guess the collective list would have my 10, plus a couple from the 2nd list, but not Alex Smith.

[Hootie]

Romo is literally a top 5 QB in the NFL

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

homer. neither are currently employed by either team from the trade. that's a neutral at best. you want to call what jenkins had 'production?' that's a participation ribbon at best.

I may be nit picking though

No, really. I think it was a win, even as small as it was.

We could either cut Baldwin, and get nothing.

Or,

We can trade Baldwin, and get the opportunity to try out Jenkins.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Do you even watch Baltimore games? Stop calling Flacco an elite franchise QB that's ****ing insane

Yeah playoffs 6 of last 7 years and 17 TD's/2 INT's and a 100 rating his last 6 playoff games.

What a bum

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Exactly.

If Alex Smith is the QB of the Bills or Jets, those teams are instant playoff contenders and in the case of the Bills, instant AFC Championship contenders. If he's in Cleveland or Houston, those teams become playoff contenders.

Meanwhile, if the Chiefs hadn't have made the trade, they wouldn't have been 11-5 or 9-7 last year while enduring catastrophic player personnel losses.

What do the Bills and Jets have, across the roster board, that KC doesn't have?

(someone say "O-line", I ****ing dare you)

This is pure fantasy and speculation, and a poor case for a poor QB.

Even I were to agree with you about Smith being the best option in the latest "years of our sorrow", that doesn't change the stone-cold mother****ing FACT that this Chiefs roster, with a QB of higher caliber and greater balls, has a legitimate crack at the big show.

[tmax63]

I'm not so sure they don't a legitimate shot with the roster right now. Defense was a beast last year and is improved with healthy returning players and a couple draft picks. Offense improved the receiver mix, maintained or improved the line. With a blessing of good health this year they can go a long ways.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by tmax63

I'm not so sure they don't a legitimate shot with the roster right now. Defense was a beast last year and is improved with healthy returning players and a couple draft picks. Offense improved the receiver mix, maintained or improved the line. With a blessing of good health this year they can go a long ways.

If Alex Smith wins a Super Bowl as a Chief, I will film myself drinking my own piss.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

What do the Bills and Jets have, across the roster board, that KC doesn't have?

(someone say "O-line", I ****ing dare you)

This is pure fantasy and speculation, and a poor case for a poor QB.

Even I were to agree with you about Smith being the best option in the latest "years of our sorrow", that doesn't change the stone-cold mother****ing FACT that this Chiefs roster, with a QB of higher caliber and greater balls, has a legitimate crack at the big show.

It can happen with Alex Smith but there's not a chance in hell of it happening with Geno Smith or Matt Cassel.

Furthermore, fans better get use to the idea of getting a shot to draft or sign a Hall of Fame QB , when the best arm talent is choosing baseball over football and college graduates can't read defenses because they play in a zone read spread offense, is over.

There is a huge difference between Matt Cassel, Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown (just to name a few) and Alex Smith.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It can happen with Alex Smith but there's not a chance in hell of it happening with Geno Smith or Matt Cassel.

Furthermore, fans better get use to the idea of getting a shot to draft or sign a Hall of Fame QB , when the best arm talent is choosing baseball over football and college graduates can't read defenses because they play in a zone read spread offense., is over.

And if you don't know the difference between Matt Cassel, Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown, just to name a few, and Alex Smith, well, then I don't know what to tell you.

Eh, we'll see what comes up the ranks. I'll buy "best option at the time", but I don't buy "all-in" Cassel-style for Smith.

An expensive placeholder, but oh well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Eh, we'll see what comes up the ranks. I'll buy "best option at the time", but I don't buy "all-in" Cassel-style for Smith.

An expensive placeholder, but oh well.

EJ Manuel and Captain Neckbeard won nine games last year in Buffalo. Alex Smith would have won 12, especially with their healthy offensive weapons.

This year, Buffalo is loaded. LeSean McCoy, Watkins, Woods, Harvin and Charles Clay. But Matt Cassel? Cassel?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Now, let's ackowledge the fact that faith in Dorsey can be somewhat justified, in light of this documented show of trade prowess.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

EJ Manuel and Captain Neckbeard won nine games last year in Buffalo. Alex Smith would have won 12, especially with their healthy offensive weapons.

This year, Buffalo is loaded. LeSean McCoy, Watkins, Woods, Harvin and Charles Clay. But Matt Cassel? Cassel?

Matt Cassel sure is the most useless QB to ever live the dream. I guess being a nice/locker room guy pays dividends.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Matt Cassel sure is the most useless QB to ever live the dream. I guess being a nice/locker room guy pays dividends.

To the tune of more than $70 million dollars.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

To the tune of more than $70 million dollars.