Chiefs Houston question - Page 4

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:40 AM

I know....not another thread about Houston right? However, I didn't want this to get buried in the mega-thread. Besides, there has been so much blame being tossed in the direction of the organization based on assumptions that I thought it prudent to try to spell out what we know and don't know:

At this point all we know is that:

1. The Chiefs and Houston's agent have not agreed on a deal.
2. Houston has been given the non-exclusive franchise tag allowing him to negotiate with other teams.
3. KC has the right to match any offer or receive two first round picks as compensation.
4. Houston's agent is busy running his mouth and threatening to hold out to week 10.

What we don't know:

1. How aggressive the KC front office has been trying to get a deal done.
2. What KC has offered.
3. What Houston's demands are.

Obviously, it takes two to make a deal happen. Many on here are automatically blaming the front office for failing to get a deal done with one of the most prolific defensive players KC has had since DT. Almost to a point to say pay the man whatever he wants.

I for one, do not agree with that philosophy. Those same people are the ones that thought Bowe should've been paid and are now complaining that he should take a pay cut or be released.

I think there are going to be some good indicators in the near future of just how serious the front office was negotiating with Houston and his agent.

What if Houston receives NO offers on the open market? What if no other team is willing to pay Houston the kind of coin he seeks and surrender two first round picks. This is a very plausible scenario. Then he is forced to sign his tender.

IMO if NO other team is willing to compensate Houston the way he seeks then that should be a tell-tale sign that his demands are too high. Tagging Houston and letting the market dictate his salary was a very smart move.

So should his home-town team AND the rest of the NFL decides he is not worth his asking price....and should Houston be forced to sign and play under his one-year tender and he holds out for 10 months.......then the writing is on the wall who is being unreasonable.

Let time sort this out...........

Why do we continue to blame the organization? Just because we haven't had playoff success in so long? Maybe this group is trying to finally get it right.....

**loochy** · 03-04-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

I guess I wasn't aware that I make millions.

you don't have to

it's all relative to what you feel you are worth and what you see others around you get paid for the same job

people in east africa ask "how could anyone in america be dissatisfied with their pay?"

**loochy** · 03-04-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

I guess I wasn't aware that I make millions and FTR I'm very satisfied with my job and pay.

I'm glad you are very satisfied

a lot of people that are comparable to you are NOT satisfied (for a plethora of reasons)

i can see how players would be dissatisfied with their pay. i would also tell them to stfu if i could, but that's beside the point

**FRCDFED** · 03-04-2015, 09:09 AM

Dude you're trolling. Comparing the salary of any blue collar worker to a multi-millionaire that plays a sport is just dumb.

**loochy** · 03-04-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Dude you're trolling. Comparing the salary of any blue collar worker to a multi-millionaire that plays a sport is just dumb.

im not trolling at all

you asked "how can they be dissatisfied?"

i told you how. many times, the pay is about ego and "keeping up with the jonses" and not about the actual money. that often applies to almost any level of income.

do i think it is stupid? yes. but you are the one that asked.

**FRCDFED** · 03-04-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

im not trolling at all

you asked "how can they be dissatisfied?"

i told you how. many times, the pay is about ego and "keeping up with the jonses" and not about the actual money. that often applies to almost any level of income.

do i think it is stupid? yes. but you are the one that asked.

True. My apologies. However, I personally couldn't fathom anyone being dissatisfied with that kind of money, which led to the initial question.

I am hopeful that we can both keep Houston and not kill our cap. We have several players on the roster with salaries that are baffling.

Frosty · 03-04-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Top shelf veteran tradition to get an off-season off with their first major deal.

And then promptly get injured.

Mr. Laz · 03-04-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

****in Laz...

At 26 years old, Houston's career will be over if he fails to negotiate a contract with the Chiefs.

Hyperbole ... look it up

If another team isn't willing to give up the draft picks then Houston can either deal with us or sit.

kcbubb · 03-04-2015, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nobody is going to give up two firsts.

I think a few teams should consider giving up two firsts. Both of those will be picking late in the draft. Both have to spend money to be within the 89% of the cap rule (see the article I posted in the draft room).

I think the Colts or the Cowboys could make the deal after the draft. That way they could send two firsts but the firsts would be in 2016 and 2017 and presumably late first round picks.

This could potentially make sense for them if they are planning on making an aggressive run at the Super Bowl. Both teams are under the cap and desperately need pass rushers.

I personally think the Cowboys should do it. I think they could win the Super Bowl with that roster plus Houston. Bryant maybe gone in a year and he will be extremely motivated to play well under the tag. The Cowboys offense should put points on the board and they should be playing with a lead often, which should generate lots of opportunities for Houston to put up big sack numbers. Houston should also help the Cowboys DBs tremendously.

**loochy** · 03-04-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think a few teams should consider giving up two firsts. Both of those will be picking late in the draft. Both have to spend money to be within the 89% of the cap rule (see the article I posted in the draft room).

I think the Colts or the Cowboys could make the deal after the draft. That way they could send two firsts but the firsts would be in 2016 and 2017 and presumably late first round picks.

This could potentially make sense for them if they are planning on making an aggressive run at the Super Bowl. Both teams are under the cap and desperately need pass rushers.

I personally think the Cowboys should do it. I think they could win the Super Bowl with that roster plus Houston. Bryant maybe gone in a year and he will be extremely motivated to play well under the tag. The Cowboys offense should put points on the board and they should be playing with a lead often, which should generate lots of opportunities for Houston to put up big sack numbers. Houston should also help the Cowboys DBs tremendously.

PLEASE not the cowboys

hearing about Houston every single day would make me cry

03-03-2015, 09:40 AM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Houston question I know....not another thread about Houston right? However, I didn't want this to get buried in the mega-thread. Besides, there has been so much blame being tossed in the direction of the organization based on assumptions that I thought it prudent to try to spell out what we know and don't know: At this point all we know is that: 1. The Chiefs and Houston's agent have not agreed on a deal. 2. Houston has been given the non-exclusive franchise tag allowing him to negotiate with other teams. 3. KC has the right to match any offer or receive two first round picks as compensation. 4. Houston's agent is busy running his mouth and threatening to hold out to week 10. What we don't know: 1. How aggressive the KC front office has been trying to get a deal done. 2. What KC has offered. 3. What Houston's demands are. Obviously, it takes two to make a deal happen. Many on here are automatically blaming the front office for failing to get a deal done with one of the most prolific defensive players KC has had since DT. Almost to a point to say pay the man whatever he wants. I for one, do not agree with that philosophy. Those same people are the ones that thought Bowe should've been paid and are now complaining that he should take a pay cut or be released. I think there are going to be some good indicators in the near future of just how serious the front office was negotiating with Houston and his agent. What if Houston receives NO offers on the open market? What if no other team is willing to pay Houston the kind of coin he seeks and surrender two first round picks. This is a very plausible scenario. Then he is forced to sign his tender. IMO if NO other team is willing to compensate Houston the way he seeks then that should be a tell-tale sign that his demands are too high. Tagging Houston and letting the market dictate his salary was a very smart move. So should his home-town team AND the rest of the NFL decides he is not worth his asking price....and should Houston be forced to sign and play under his one-year tender and he holds out for 10 months.......then the writing is on the wall who is being unreasonable. Let time sort this out........... Why do we continue to blame the organization? Just because we haven't had playoff success in so long? Maybe this group is trying to finally get it right.....
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03-04-2015, 09:09 AM	#48
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Dude you're trolling. Comparing the salary of any blue collar worker to a multi-millionaire that plays a sport is just dumb.
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