How I see the offseason (with cap implications) - Page 4

kccrow · 11-09-2014, 08:44 PM

Chiefs Free Agents - Must Re-Sign

OLB Justin Houston - Give Houston a deal around $14 million per to be the highest paid OLB in the NFL
OC Rodney Hudson - Give Hudson a deal around $3.5 million per, putting him in the top 10 for Centers in the NFL.
DE Allen Bailey - Give Bailey a deal around $1.5 million per putting him around 20th in terms of starting 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL.
DE Kevin Vickerson - Give Vickerson a deal around $1.5 million per, putting him around 20th in terms of starting 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL.
CB Chris Owens - Give Owens a deal at $870,000, putting him at the vet minimum for 7th year players in the NFL.
CB Ron Parker - Give Parker a deal at around $1.50 million per, putting him at the top of the tier 3 CBs in the NFL (65th) and in the middle of the tier 2 safeties (48th) or so.
ILB Josh Mauga - Give Mauga a deal around $940,000, putting him at the bottom of starting NFL linebackers (around 48th) but above vet min (870,000 for him).
LS Thomas Gafford - Sign Gafford at the vet minimum of $870,000 for his tenure.
RT Ryan Harris - Harris has earned a re-signing so far, give him a deal worth $1.2 per or so, putting him at the bottom of starting RTs in the NFL.
S Kelcie McCray - Sign McCray at vet minimum of $660,000
OLB Josh Martin - Sign Martin at vet minimum of $660,000
TE Demetrius Harris - Sign Harris at vet minimum of $660,000

Total of these signings = $27,860,000
Cap Hits = $158,928,172 (18,928,172 over)

Chiefs Restructuring

OLB Tamba Hali - Offer Hali to take his 2015 salary, roster bonus, and workout bonuses, totaling $9 million and make them a signing bonus on a 3 year extension (2015-16-17). Give Hali the vet minimum salary of 970,000 in 2015. His prorated old signing bonus money of just over 2.9 million will have to be added to his new signing bonus and prorated over the 3 years, giving him a new bonus hit of $3,988,235 per and a cap hit of $4,958,235 in 2015, which remains on par with the top 15 3-4 OLBs in the NFL while saving the Chiefs $6.5 million against the cap.

Cap Hits = $152,421,701 (12,421,701 over)

Chiefs Cuts

QB Chase Daniel - Cap Savings of $3.8 million
RB Cyrus Gray - Cap Savings of $668,500
WR A.J. Jenkins - Cap Savings of $1,337,390
WR Donnie Avery - Cap Savings of $3,550,000
DE Mike DeVito - Cap Savings of $4,000,000 (give injury settlement)
TE Sean McGrath - Cap Savings of $585,000 (currently showing against cap but retirement voids base)
TE Anthony Fasano - Cap Savings of $1,975,000
ILB Derrick Johnson - Cap Savings of $5,250,000 (give injury settlement)

Total Savings = $21,165,890 (Dead Money Created = $5,176,918)
Cap Hits = $131,255,811 ($8,744,189 under = enough to sign draft class)

Cap Rollover from 2014 = $5,417,020
FB Anthony Sherman was extended, approximately $2,333,333 in 2015 reduces effective cap rollover to $3,083,687. Could be used on a couple low-level free agents.

Let Walk...

OG Mike McGlynn
OG Jeff Linkenbach
S Kurt Coleman
WR Junior Hemmingway
WR Frankie Hammond
S Daniel Sorenson
LB Dezman Moses
RB Joe McKnight

Obviously cap accuracy could be slightly off, but it should be very close. There will be turnover of some low-level contracts I'm sure, and some signings of new ones.

How I'd see the roster going into FA/Draft

QB Alex Smith
QB Aaron Murray
QB Tyler Bray

RB Jamaal Charles
RB Knile Davis
RB De'Anthony Thomas

FB Anthony Sherman

WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Albert Wilson

TE Travis Kelce
TE Demetrius Harris

OT Eric Fisher
OT Ryan Harris
OT Donald Stephenson

OG Jeff Allen
OG Zach Fulton
OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff

OC Rodney Hudson
OC Eric Kush

DE Allen Bailey
DE Jaye Howard
DE Kevin Vickerson
DE Mike Catapano
DE Vance Walker

NT Dontari Poe

OLB Dee Ford
OLB Frank Zombo
OLB Josh Martin
OLB Justin Houston
OLB Tamba Hali

ILB James Michael Johnson
ILB Joe Mays
ILB Josh Mauga

CB Chris Owens
CB Jamell Fleming
CB Marcus Cooper
CB Phillip Gaines
CB Ron Parker
CB Sean Smith

S Eric Berry
S Husain Abdullah
S Kelcie McCray
S Sanders Commings

K Cairo Santos
P Dustin Colquitt
LS Thomas Gafford

And the losses, summarized...

QB Chase Daniel

RB Cyrus Gray
RB Joe McKnight

WR A.J. Jenkins
WR Donnie Avery
WR Junior Hemingway
WR Frankie Hammond

TE Anthony Fasano

OG Mike McGlynn
OG Jeff Linkenbach

DE Mike DeVito

ILB Derrick Johnson

OLB Dezman Moses

S Kurt Coleman
S Daniel Sorensen

What this leaves KC...

46 active players. They need only 7 of their 11 draft picks to make the active roster.

What they appear to need...

WR - 3
TE - 1
OG - 1
OT - 1
ILB - 1

Everything else is shuffling...

O.city · 11-14-2014, 08:07 AM

The reported number right now is 10 mil that they're under.

With rolling that over and being smart in terms of structuring deals, the cap isn't an issue

RunKC · 11-14-2014, 08:59 AM

Here was my analysis in another thread with #'s from potential cuts.

DeVito-$4 million can draft a decent run stuffer
Avery-$3.55 million not worth it
Daniel-$3.8 million not worth it
Fasano-$1.975 million we can draft a run blocking TE to replace him
Mays-$3 million not missing him THAT much for his price tag. Can draft a guy
J. Allen-$1.23 million we won't miss him and don't now
Jenkins-$1.33 million not worth it
V. Walker-$1.75 Bailey took his job and Cat will be back. Not worth 10 snaps per game avg

That's $20.63 million saved.

O city is correct. Nick Jacobs reported that the Chiefs had $11.33 on the cap on September 5th according the NFLPA. We had to sign a couple cheap guys like Jamell Flemming, so it probably puts us down around $10 million.

That's not even counting potential restructures.

10-currently in cap
10-added cap inflation
15- rough guesstimate of saving from cuts

We'll have over $30 million. Probably somewhere around 30-35. And at least 13 of that is going to Houston.

kccrow · 11-14-2014, 05:08 PM

The 10 million is with this year's rollover after the cap inflates 7 million. I don't get some of you guys and mathematics. Jesus H. Christ.

O.city · 11-14-2014, 05:17 PM

Pretty sure you can continue to roll unused money over.

In any manner, with the way contracts can be done, the cap should never really be an issue

kccrow · 11-14-2014, 05:33 PM

Cap Math Lesson: Exhibit A
Next year's cap: $140,000,000
Next year's cap hits ALREADY on the books: $135,734,675 (Active Spending: 130,408,172 + Dead Money: 5,326,503)
Cap space in 2015: $4,265,325
Chiefs cap space available for rollover from 2014: $4,853,020
Total potential cap space BEFORE any moves are made: $9,118,345
The Chiefs have 20 Free Agents.
One of those free agents JUSTIN HOUSTON, whose contract (if re-signed) is likely to cost $14,000,000 or so AGAINST THE CAP in 2015.
$14 million is greater than $9.1 million.

kccrow · 11-15-2014, 08:48 PM

Given recent news of the size of the extension Bailey received, this is going to put a significant crinkle in what I've outlined here. Minimum cap hit he'll be is near 3.5 million in 2015.

Chiefs may just have to let Hali go outright at this point, else find a way to gain money from other sources (Bowe, Berry, etc)

**Dave Lane** · 11-15-2014, 09:06 PM

There's a lot of people that don't do the maths in this here thread.

Direckshun · 11-16-2014, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Here was my analysis in another thread with #'s from potential cuts.

DeVito-$4 million can draft a decent run stuffer
Avery-$3.55 million not worth it
Daniel-$3.8 million not worth it
Fasano-$1.975 million we can draft a run blocking TE to replace him
Mays-$3 million not missing him THAT much for his price tag. Can draft a guy
J. Allen-$1.23 million we won't miss him and don't now
Jenkins-$1.33 million not worth it
V. Walker-$1.75 Bailey took his job and Cat will be back. Not worth 10 snaps per game avg

That's $20.63 million saved.

O city is correct. Nick Jacobs reported that the Chiefs had $11.33 on the cap on September 5th according the NFLPA. We had to sign a couple cheap guys like Jamell Flemming, so it probably puts us down around $10 million.

That's not even counting potential restructures.

10-currently in cap
10-added cap inflation
15- rough guesstimate of saving from cuts

We'll have over $30 million. Probably somewhere around 30-35. And at least 13 of that is going to Houston.

I think a ton of this is being awfully generous.

The Chiefs aren't going to be doing this much turnover for three consecutive seasons. They're going to keep half the people you have them cutting. My guess is the cap space we'll have to dance will with be about $20m, with nearly 100% of it going to Houston (most likely the tag), Hudson, Parker, and the rookies.

The Chiefs will re-sign some of the dirt cheap guys like Mauga, I expect, and bring in a couple more street free agents that cost pennies on the dollar.

We're not going to be big swinging dicks this year.

11-09-2014, 08:44 PM
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2847078	How I see the offseason (with cap implications) Chiefs Free Agents - Must Re-Sign OLB Justin Houston - Give Houston a deal around $14 million per to be the highest paid OLB in the NFL OC Rodney Hudson - Give Hudson a deal around $3.5 million per, putting him in the top 10 for Centers in the NFL. DE Allen Bailey - Give Bailey a deal around $1.5 million per putting him around 20th in terms of starting 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. DE Kevin Vickerson - Give Vickerson a deal around $1.5 million per, putting him around 20th in terms of starting 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. CB Chris Owens - Give Owens a deal at $870,000, putting him at the vet minimum for 7th year players in the NFL. CB Ron Parker - Give Parker a deal at around $1.50 million per, putting him at the top of the tier 3 CBs in the NFL (65th) and in the middle of the tier 2 safeties (48th) or so. ILB Josh Mauga - Give Mauga a deal around $940,000, putting him at the bottom of starting NFL linebackers (around 48th) but above vet min (870,000 for him). LS Thomas Gafford - Sign Gafford at the vet minimum of $870,000 for his tenure. RT Ryan Harris - Harris has earned a re-signing so far, give him a deal worth $1.2 per or so, putting him at the bottom of starting RTs in the NFL. S Kelcie McCray - Sign McCray at vet minimum of $660,000 OLB Josh Martin - Sign Martin at vet minimum of $660,000 TE Demetrius Harris - Sign Harris at vet minimum of $660,000 Total of these signings = $27,860,000 Cap Hits = $158,928,172 (18,928,172 over) Chiefs Restructuring OLB Tamba Hali - Offer Hali to take his 2015 salary, roster bonus, and workout bonuses, totaling $9 million and make them a signing bonus on a 3 year extension (2015-16-17). Give Hali the vet minimum salary of 970,000 in 2015. His prorated old signing bonus money of just over 2.9 million will have to be added to his new signing bonus and prorated over the 3 years, giving him a new bonus hit of $3,988,235 per and a cap hit of $4,958,235 in 2015, which remains on par with the top 15 3-4 OLBs in the NFL while saving the Chiefs $6.5 million against the cap. Cap Hits = $152,421,701 (12,421,701 over) Chiefs Cuts QB Chase Daniel - Cap Savings of $3.8 million RB Cyrus Gray - Cap Savings of $668,500 WR A.J. Jenkins - Cap Savings of $1,337,390 WR Donnie Avery - Cap Savings of $3,550,000 DE Mike DeVito - Cap Savings of $4,000,000 (give injury settlement) TE Sean McGrath - Cap Savings of $585,000 (currently showing against cap but retirement voids base) TE Anthony Fasano - Cap Savings of $1,975,000 ILB Derrick Johnson - Cap Savings of $5,250,000 (give injury settlement) Total Savings = $21,165,890 (Dead Money Created = $5,176,918) Cap Hits = $131,255,811 ($8,744,189 under = enough to sign draft class) Cap Rollover from 2014 = $5,417,020 FB Anthony Sherman was extended, approximately $2,333,333 in 2015 reduces effective cap rollover to $3,083,687. Could be used on a couple low-level free agents. Let Walk... OG Mike McGlynn OG Jeff Linkenbach S Kurt Coleman WR Junior Hemmingway WR Frankie Hammond S Daniel Sorenson LB Dezman Moses RB Joe McKnight Obviously cap accuracy could be slightly off, but it should be very close. There will be turnover of some low-level contracts I'm sure, and some signings of new ones. How I'd see the roster going into FA/Draft QB Alex Smith QB Aaron Murray QB Tyler Bray RB Jamaal Charles RB Knile Davis RB De'Anthony Thomas FB Anthony Sherman WR Dwayne Bowe WR Albert Wilson TE Travis Kelce TE Demetrius Harris OT Eric Fisher OT Ryan Harris OT Donald Stephenson OG Jeff Allen OG Zach Fulton OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff OC Rodney Hudson OC Eric Kush DE Allen Bailey DE Jaye Howard DE Kevin Vickerson DE Mike Catapano DE Vance Walker NT Dontari Poe OLB Dee Ford OLB Frank Zombo OLB Josh Martin OLB Justin Houston OLB Tamba Hali ILB James Michael Johnson ILB Joe Mays ILB Josh Mauga CB Chris Owens CB Jamell Fleming CB Marcus Cooper CB Phillip Gaines CB Ron Parker CB Sean Smith S Eric Berry S Husain Abdullah S Kelcie McCray S Sanders Commings K Cairo Santos P Dustin Colquitt LS Thomas Gafford And the losses, summarized... QB Chase Daniel RB Cyrus Gray RB Joe McKnight WR A.J. Jenkins WR Donnie Avery WR Junior Hemingway WR Frankie Hammond TE Anthony Fasano OG Mike McGlynn OG Jeff Linkenbach DE Mike DeVito ILB Derrick Johnson OLB Dezman Moses S Kurt Coleman S Daniel Sorensen What this leaves KC... 46 active players. They need only 7 of their 11 draft picks to make the active roster. What they appear to need... WR - 3 TE - 1 OG - 1 OT - 1 ILB - 1 Everything else is shuffling...
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11-14-2014, 08:07 AM	#46
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11-14-2014, 08:59 AM	#47
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1769611	Here was my analysis in another thread with #'s from potential cuts. DeVito-$4 million can draft a decent run stuffer Avery-$3.55 million not worth it Daniel-$3.8 million not worth it Fasano-$1.975 million we can draft a run blocking TE to replace him Mays-$3 million not missing him THAT much for his price tag. Can draft a guy J. Allen-$1.23 million we won't miss him and don't now Jenkins-$1.33 million not worth it V. Walker-$1.75 Bailey took his job and Cat will be back. Not worth 10 snaps per game avg That's $20.63 million saved. O city is correct. Nick Jacobs reported that the Chiefs had $11.33 on the cap on September 5th according the NFLPA. We had to sign a couple cheap guys like Jamell Flemming, so it probably puts us down around $10 million. That's not even counting potential restructures. 10-currently in cap 10-added cap inflation 15- rough guesstimate of saving from cuts We'll have over $30 million. Probably somewhere around 30-35. And at least 13 of that is going to Houston. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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11-14-2014, 05:08 PM	#48
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2847078	The 10 million is with this year's rollover after the cap inflates 7 million. I don't get some of you guys and mathematics. Jesus H. Christ.
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11-14-2014, 05:17 PM	#49
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2354064	Pretty sure you can continue to roll unused money over. In any manner, with the way contracts can be done, the cap should never really be an issue
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11-14-2014, 05:33 PM	#50
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2847078	Cap Math Lesson: Exhibit A Next year's cap: $140,000,000 Next year's cap hits ALREADY on the books: $135,734,675 (Active Spending: 130,408,172 + Dead Money: 5,326,503) Cap space in 2015: $4,265,325 Chiefs cap space available for rollover from 2014: $4,853,020 Total potential cap space BEFORE any moves are made: $9,118,345 The Chiefs have 20 Free Agents. One of those free agents JUSTIN HOUSTON, whose contract (if re-signed) is likely to cost $14,000,000 or so AGAINST THE CAP in 2015. $14 million is greater than $9.1 million.
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11-15-2014, 08:48 PM	#51
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2847078	Given recent news of the size of the extension Bailey received, this is going to put a significant crinkle in what I've outlined here. Minimum cap hit he'll be is near 3.5 million in 2015. Chiefs may just have to let Hali go outright at this point, else find a way to gain money from other sources (Bowe, Berry, etc)
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