Ozzy: Being in a band is dying art

[Deberg_1990]

Do you agree?



Ozzy Osbourne says the rise of technology in music means bands are losing the ability to jam and shape ideas together.

And the Black Sabbath icon – who's the subject of a free TeamRock iPad supplement – has first-hand experience of the phenomenon.

Ozzy tells Noisey.com: “The computer age is taking over and there's a lot of trickery. I've actually seen guys in bands. You go, 'Do you want to jam?' and they go, 'Jam? What's that?' Just playing anything together. They can't do it. 'I'll have to consult my computer first.' The art of being in a band is dying.”

The singer says he's always proud when another musician is influenced by Sabbath – and he doesn't just mean by the music.

He says: “I have people at Ozzfest going, 'Man, if it wasn't for Sabbath... we owe you so much.' I go, 'What part of this is influenced by Sabbath?' I get where they're coming from but it's not the music, it's what it says to the people.

“Metal has never had any rules. If you want me to do something, tell me not to. I've never played by any rules. My sole concern is to get on that stage and give the audience a great day out. I want to give my heart and soul when I play, and that's God's honest truth.”

Ozzy recently released his retrospective set Memoirs Of A Madman – after revealing that Sabbath are gearing up to record their final album next year.


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[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

I think the loudness wars kind of predated MP3s a little bit. Californication by RHCP, which is considered the most egregious example was released in 2000 back when CDs were still a thing. fortunately, I think dynamics are becoming popular again.

98-2000 was Napster's heyday, and it's when I used mp3s, fwiw

And Metallica's Death Magnetic is the nadir of the loud essential wars - unlistenable.

[Stormageddon]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Everything vocal is auto-tuned and most of the music is electronic. We're probably not far away from having holographic "musicians" who don't actually exist performing "live" on stage at concerts.

Google VOCALOID.

[Mennonite]

For those that like Black Sabbath - here's a gif i made of their mascot "Henry":




Such an awesome band.


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[007]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

I dont believe Ozzy said any of this. Even if he did there's no way anyone understood him.

Kind of what I was thinking. SHARON!!!!

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

This is a BS OPINION and nothing more. The main market right now is dance/club/pop/bullshit

Don't ever ****ing talk that way about Ozzy again.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

well, we all have our opinions.

As a musician for 40 years - gigging for 30 - I agree with him. I have worked with young guys that can't play anything unless they can find the tabs for it online. We were auditioning one guitar player and I showed him the chords, then said during the guitar solo just play something in E minor pentatonic and he looked at me like I was asking him to perform brain surgery. He literally couldn't play anything on his own, and couldn't learn music by ear.

Everyone should know the most common scale in rock music. Everyone should be able to improvise something simple using it. But a lot of musicians under 30 can't. Most don't even know the most common jam, the 12 bar blues.

And why should they? I watch bands on late night talk shows and a lot of them can barely play. Talent and skill are no longer required.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

BULLSHIT!!!


You ever listen to Zeppelin II on a Badass Technics or TEAC turntable through a Marantz receiver with some Sansuis or Kenwoods?? Some JBLs or Klipsch?? Bose??

It has never ever sounded better.

I didn't say we dont have the ability to listen to it like that now I said most people couldn't back in the day.

When you fell in love with that music you weren't listening to it on a hifi system.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

When you fell in love with that music you weren't listening to it on a hifi system.

My parents totally had a hi-fi system; that's exactly what I was listening to when I fell in love with that music

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

As a musician for 40 years - gigging for 30 - I agree with him. I have worked with young guys that can't play anything unless they can find the tabs for it online. We were auditioning one guitar player and I showed him the chords, then said during the guitar solo just play something in E minor pentatonic and he looked at me like I was asking him to perform brain surgery. He literally couldn't play anything on his own, and couldn't learn music by ear.

Everyone should know the most common scale in rock music. Everyone should be able to improvise something simple using it. But a lot of musicians under 30 can't. Most don't even know the most common jam, the 12 bar blues.

And why should they? I watch bands on late night talk shows and a lot of theIt's m can barely play. Talent and skill are no longer required.

It's really sad, because there are younger people who can really play and are in decent bands...but the emphasis is on crap.

You're absolutely right; talent and skill are not even necessary to 'make it big'.

[Pushead2]

After being in a band for years and playing music, the main difference is that back-when, you'd get together on their own respective instruments and jam - then chip in to record it.

Now, one person can do it all. No fussing or fighting with someone else's ideas, that weren't great, but y'all compromised on the final result.

I do agree though, rock / metal is far passed it's prime. Partially due to the lack of diversity and no real "next big thing in rock".

[loochy]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Everything vocal is auto-tuned and most of the music is electronic. We're probably not far away from having holographic "musicians" who don't actually exist performing "live" on stage at concerts.

this already happens

[Chromatic]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

I do agree though, rock / metal is far passed it's prime. Partially due to the lack of diversity and no real "next big thing in rock".

You can say that about most musical genres. With the internet, playlists, spotify, etc. most people just customize what they want to hear and ignore everything else. It was really hard to do that in the past with radio or even cds to an extent.

Rock and metal will most likely always be there, but will just be absorbed into the absolutely huge amount of genres/influences that are out there now thanks to the internet.

Anyway, I don't really see a problem with Ozzy's gripe. To me, a teenager sitting in his bedroom with a guitar and an amp jamming away isn't that much different from a kid sitting in his bedroom with a laptop and a music program composing.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's really sad, because there are younger people who can really play and are in decent bands...but the emphasis is on crap.

You're absolutely right; talent and skill are not even necessary to 'make it big'.

Yeah, the auditioning guy was really good at playing, but he had to have tabs or someone in the band tell him exactly what to play because he had no idea how to figure it out on his own. He lost the job, because we needed a person that can learn music fast on his own and improvise when necessary.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

Now, one person can do it all. No fussing or fighting with someone else's ideas, that weren't great, but y'all compromised on the final result.

I've found that often the one persons music is really helped having the different perspective of other musicians input. I have written a number of songs over the years, and after the other band members added their input the songs were ALWAYS better. But the original writer has to be secure enough to allow it, and some aren't. You also have to surround yourself with good musicians.

My method was to give the band the basic chord structure and let each member come up with their own parts. Since they play their instruments better that I do (I'm a bass player that plays a little guitar and some basic keyboard, but I'm no guitar player or keyboard player) they come up with parts that are better than what I could. And I'm not much of a singer, so the singer can usually enhance my vocal parts better than me. The song is still mine, but the details are better.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Yeah, the auditioning guy was really good at playing, but he had to have tabs or someone in the band tell him exactly what to play because he had no idea how to figure it out on his own. He lost the job, because we needed a person that can learn music fast on his own and improvise when necessary.

You mean...you needed an actual guitar player.