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Old 12-29-2014, 01:15 AM  
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Want to fix the offensive line next season? Stop looking to the draft
This means you, Saccopoo.

Do you really want Andy Reid and John Dorsey to build the future of this line? Given their histories with the Packers and Eagles, these two dildos wouldn't be able to scout out a good offensive lineman if Sandra Bullock provided them with all of the protective instincts scores.

**** using high draft picks to get our guys. I'm sick and ****ing tired of investing top draft stock and getting back Jeff Allens and Jon Asamoahs. And don't tell me that Andy Reid and John Dorsey are any better at finding good linemen than Pioli. Their histories indicate otherwise.

Free agency is where it's at. Spend the money to get a halfway decent starter at LG. Use one or two middle round picks to draft some depth. Profit.

I will bump this thread every time some ****ing moron talks about depending on the draft for our 2015 offensive line. We're the Chiefs. We're not going to get a rookie who will be nails for us instantly. And that's what we need. So work around it.

Problem solved. Adequate OL achieved. Mission accomplished.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:32 PM   #46
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I would do it for the sake of continuity and the fact that Hudson is actually pretty good, but I don't think that Dorsey will. There has to be a reason why they refuse to try Kush anywhere else along the OL when he clearly has the talent to play judging from what little we've seen of him, and instead continue to groom him at the Center position. They are going to move on from Hudson.
I fear this and really hope it doesn't happen, but I can see it happening. I bet a team will pay Hudson $7 million per.

I like Hudson but if he's too much, you gotta let him go with Kush in the wings.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:41 PM   #47
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This should have been the OL for 2014

LT Fisher
LG Hudson
C Kush
RG Incognito
RT Harris

That would have been an average to above average line.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:46 PM   #48
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This should have been the OL for 2014

LT Fisher
LG Hudson
C Kush
RG Incognito
RT Harris

That would have been an average to above average line.
Nobody expected Stephenson to regress. That was just plain bizarre.

**** no to incognito.

Swap in Allen and Stephenson on the right side, and the line would have been fine enough. Not great by any stretch. Fine enough.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:48 PM   #49
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Allen was trash as a lg and not a whole lot better as a RT.

I doubt he returns
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:49 PM   #50
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Allen was trash as a lg and not a whole lot better as a RT.

I doubt he returns
He's adequate. Which is all you need at guard, and at least buys you time to draft a cheap replacement. Cheap swing lineman who can start anywhere in a pinch. Ideally, Stephenson should swing to guard but who ****ing knows what happened there.

Reid seems like a players coach. But there are a few players with some bizarre things the past 2 years. Stephenson is one of them. McGrath, Watkins are a few others. Even catapano, I feel like we don't know the full story there.
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Cowboys say otherwise.
It took the Cowboys 2-3 years to find all of those guys, and they hit on just about every single draft pick they made at the OL.

I don't trust Reid and Dorsey to make those OL picks. Meanwhile as all of these guys are struggling, we have to "give them time," not knowing for at least two seasons if they're worth two shits to be rolling with long-term.

Just look at Eric Fisher. IF he's going to be that cornerstone LT, we will have had to wait 2 full seasons plus an offseason of still not knowing what his vagina is made of.

And we're STILL ****ing playing the waiting game with Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson, with most of the signs pointing to "abortion."

I'd rather Dorsey go out and get some Geoff Schwartzes (before he got paid by the Giants) than sit here with a bunch of Zach Fultons, waiting for them to blossom and wondering if they ever will.
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Old 12-29-2014, 02:25 PM   #53
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This should have been the OL for 2014

LT Fisher
LG Hudson
C Kush
RG Incognito
RT Harris

That would have been an average to above average line.
Meh, I disagree. No way anyone signs Incognito. He's gone forever. Harris over Stephenson from day one? That's plausible but, Kush over Hudson? You know Reid wanted Kush to be ready to play man. He fits the mold Reid wants. He was inactive in half the games. If Reid said he wasn't ready, then he really wasn't ready imo.

Also, how can you even logically say you've seen enough of Kush to say he'd start over Hudson? This sounds like Nico johnson part deux to me. Everyone knows you liked him and wanted him to start over Jordan and then Mays but that didn't happen. Hell, you probably saw more of him than you have of Kush.
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More like a C- or even D on pass blocking.. but that would still be a pass pro upgrade for KC.
he used to be B level but lately he is just terrible.. esp this year...
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We've been drafting interior line in the high rounds for years, and all it's gotten us is Rodney Hudson. It's like when the Chiefs kept drafting DTs for years and years in the first three rounds. At some point you cut your losses and start drafting a different position instead of continuing to double down on stuff you suck at finding talent for.

Reid has an atrocious record at drafting offensive linemen. What makes you ****ing think we should trust him to use our valuable draft picks to **** shit up again?
Reid's not drafting them, Dorsey is.

You just better hope that the Decision Lens is able to crap out a draft board that contains a couple of Pro-Bowlers at RT and LG for the 2015 NFL Draft for the Chiefs.

Hope that science and computers and the future is now and that the information that Dorsey and his small army of coaches and scouts put into Hal the Super Computer is the right information.
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Reid's not drafting them, Dorsey is.

You just better hope that the Decision Lens is able to crap out a draft board that contains a couple of Pro-Bowlers at RT and LG for the 2015 NFL Draft for the Chiefs.

Hope that science and computers and the future is now and that the information that Dorsey and his small army of coaches and scouts put into Hal the Super Computer is the right information.
We need LG filled NOW with somebody. If that's Jeff Allen, then cool. But if it's not, I don't want to wait ANOTHER season for Alex fans to blame the offensive line.

McGlynn is the worst thing since sliced AIDS bread. He needs to be replaced. Once we find his replacement, we're going to see a DRAMATIC improvement in our offensive line play. There's absolutely no reason to go ****ing crazy with a new RT here and a new RG there and 8 backup dudes in the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds.
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Haha you wanted 4/5 oh those guys in the first round.

Gimme a break
Let's see...

Wanted in first round: Mack, Okung, Jackson
Wanted in second round: Beadles, Hudson

Close.

And yet, if we did that, we'd be alright about right now, wouldn't we?

Alex Mack instead of Tyson Jackson
Russell Okung instead of Eric Berry
Zane Beadles instead of Dexter McCluster
Gabe Jackson instead of Dee Ford
We picked Hudson!

Jackson isn't on the team. McCluster isn't on the team. Berry is likely to retire. Ford hasn't contributed.

Seems to me that those would have been better picks than what we made.
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I will not be surprised if they let Hudson walk and keep Kush on. The cost of a good starting center is getting kind of ridiculous and you better believe that Hudson is going to be asking for similar compensation.
What?

Are you ****ing nuts?

Kush can't beat out Linkenbach or McGlynn, yet you want to replace our best lineman and one of the better centers in the league with that guy?

Because we weren't bad enough across the offensive line and you want to just let Hudson walk?



Again..are you ****ing nuts?!
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And yet, if we did that, we'd be alright about right now, wouldn't we?
No because Geno Smith would have been our QB if you were the GM.
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