Barnwell on Derek Carr

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by O.city

Put this way, if the chiefs had a 2nd year qb on the track carr is on, I'd be pretty happy with it and excited for the future

If carr were on this team, posters would be naming their newborns derek.

Derek on this team with our rbs and receiving trio would be deadly and everyone would be going nuts.

[RunKC]

Carr needs to tune finer parts of his game. Last weekend he missed 3 wide open guys by poor ball placement bc he threw off his back foot.

Carr would be so much better here with a coaching staff that actually knows what they're doing.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Carr needs to tune finer parts of his game. Last weekend he missed 3 wide open guys by poor ball placement bc he threw off his back foot.

Carr would be so much better here with a coaching staff that actually knows what they're doing.

Oaklands shitty coaching is what will ultimately doom him if he stays there.

[jjchieffan]

I liked Carr and wanted the Chiefs to draft him. I was really discouraged to see the Faiders take him. Since he is in Chokeland instead of KC, I hope that I was wrong about him and that this regression continues.

[ChiefsCountry]

I love it when our 11 year veteran franchise QB is still compared to the 2 year nUb. I mean the 11 year vet can grow, the 2 year nUb can't.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I love it when our 11 year veteran franchise QB is still compared to the 2 year nUb. I mean the 11 year vet can grow, the 2 year nUb can't.

So have you actually read the thread or are you just starting with the argument you want to have and hoping someone takes the bait?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So have you actually read the thread or are you just starting with the argument you want to have and hoping someone takes the bait?

I'm not jumping in with him

But there is a little bit of not looking in our own mirror here.

Now, I've always been a fan of alex, I think he's better than he gets credit for.

But he's not asked to do the things carr was last year. Yeah, carr struggled in the fourth quarter and against pressure, but if it weren't for him, alot of those games aren't close in the fourth anyway.

[BossChief]

Why is it that Chiefs fans always feel the need to not give credit where it's due to opposing players?

Carr was pretty good in his sophomore season where a lot of QBs have down years and the team improved the OL in front of him to improve the O and made some big moves to improve their defense, as well. That's gonna help them win games and for Carr to improve as a passer.

I have little doubt that KC takes the division and I still think the Raiders are a year away from the playoffs, but Carr is a good QB that's gonna be a premier passer once the old guard all hang em up.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Why is it that Chiefs fans always feel the need to not give credit where it's due to opposing players?

Carr was pretty good in his sophomore season where a lot of QBs have down years and the team improved the OL in front of him to improve the O and made some big moves to improve their defense, as well. That's gonna help them win games and for Carr to improve as a passer.

I have little doubt that KC takes the division and I still think the Raiders are a year away from the playoffs, but Carr is a good QB that's gonna be a premier passer once the old guard all hang em up.

You answered your own question. Nobody is denying Carr's potential, but you talk as if he's arrived, and he has not. There's not enough evidence to say he's going to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is exactly why I say he's overrated. I made the same mistake with Stafford, Ryan, Foles, etc. early in their careers, and I'm not making it again, especially not when I take the bad from last season into consideration. He has a ways to go, and anybody that disagrees is not looking at his 2015 season objectively.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You answered your own question. Nobody is denying Carr's potential, but you talk as if he's arrived, and he has not. There's not enough evidence to say he's going to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is exactly why I say he's overrated. I made the same mistake with Stafford, Ryan, Foles, etc. early in their careers, and I'm not making it again, especially not when I take the bad from last season into consideration. He has a ways to go, and anybody that disagrees is not looking at his 2015 season objectively.

Exactly. The majority opinion in this thread is that Carr is a solid young QB who has room to grow but seems to be given credit for what he COULD be without actually getting there just yet.

I don't see the Carr hate that people are railing against here.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly. The majority opinion in this thread is that Carr is a solid young QB who has room to grow but seems to be given credit for what he COULD be without actually getting there just yet.

I don't see the Carr hate that people are railing against here.

Eh, clay stumbled in and all hell kind of broke loose.

Pretty much what you'd expect.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, clay stumbled in and all hell kind of broke loose.

Pretty much what you'd expect.

When you're right, you're right.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You answered your own question. Nobody is denying Carr's potential, but you talk as if he's arrived, and he has not. There's not enough evidence to say he's going to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is exactly why I say he's overrated. I made the same mistake with Stafford, Ryan, Foles, etc. early in their careers, and I'm not making it again, especially not when I take the bad from last season into consideration. He has a ways to go, and anybody that disagrees is not looking at his 2015 season objectively.

There's too many factors to say either way.

Look at the guys you've mentioned and the situations they play in. Stafford is a big arrmed douche, but the Lions have a pretty dysfunctional system. I've never been a big fan of Matt Ryan, but once they got rid of Mike Smith and brought in the Patriot crap, it's gone downhill quick.

Organizational stability, players around them, etc. Time being, it seems the Raiders have a good thing going in those terms.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You answered your own question. Nobody is denying Carr's potential, but you talk as if he's arrived, and he has not. There's not enough evidence to say he's going to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is exactly why I say he's overrated. I made the same mistake with Stafford, Ryan, Foles, etc. early in their careers, and I'm not making it again, especially not when I take the bad from last season into consideration. He has a ways to go, and anybody that disagrees is not looking at his 2015 season objectively.

Your "he hasn't proven it yet" excuse to slow the hype on Carr is hilariously hypocritical considering your opinion on every unproven Chiefs player.

It's like talking football with a Jr high kid.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Your "he hasn't proven it yet" excuse to slow the hype on Carr is hilariously hypocritical considering your opinion on every unproven Chiefs player.

It's like talking football with a Jr high kid.

What the **** are you talking about?

First off, I said he hasn't arrived, as in he is not yet a top 10 QB, more or less a sure thing to be a top 5 QB down the line. He's proven he belongs as a starter, but that's about it.

Second, saying somebody like Ford can still develop into a solid player instead of declaring him a bust after just 7 starts is the same thing as saying Carr still has a ways to go before he can be considered a great QB? Context is everything you ****ing moron. I'm not even bashing Carr or saying he won't be a really good QB, just objectively pointing out that he regressed at the end of last season and hasn't yet arrived. I can say one young player that hasn't yet arrived is underrated while saying another is overrated. They don't contradict themselves when I'm acknowledging that both players can still develop into good or great players.

To be clear, I'm obviously not comparing Carr and Ford on the same level here. Carr has clearly already proven he belongs as a starter, while Ford has yet to do that.

Also, am I saying that Ford is already one of the best pass rushers? Or that Steven Nelson is one of the best corners? Conley one of the best WR's? Where's the ****ing contradiction here? When did I make definitive/bold statements on any of these guys?

The irony is, the only hypocrisy here is from dumb ****s like you. You'll pick apart every young Chiefs draft pick that hasn't proven themselves without giving them the propper time to develop, then turn around and crown somebody like Carr who objectively still has ways to go in their development.

What a dipshit you are.