****The Official Chiefs OTAs Thread****

[BossChief]

OTAs start today. Please post pictures and updates here and I'll try to keep the OP updated with any new developments.

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[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Welp, we have a lot of interesting talent at Qb. First time in many years we can say that. Im sure everyone has someone they're rooting for. Murray, Bray and Hogan all have shown flashes and they all have some interesting tools that make one believe they could be "it". Im in the Bray camp. Football is entertainment and whippin' it all over the field entertains me.

Couldn't have said it better. The only reason I watch football is entertainment.

[RunKC]

KeiVarae Russell still isn't signed right? Hope that changes this week

[pugsnotdrugs19]

FWIW, Nelson took the 'first team' reps today in team drills, according to Adam Teicher.

This would have been different though had Gaines been able to participate in those. It looks like if we suited up and played today though, there likely wouldn't be any rookies starting. That could very well change obviously.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

FWIW, Nelson took the 'first team' reps today in team drills, according to Adam Teicher.

This would have been different though had Gaines been able to participate in those. It looks like if we suited up and played today though, there likely wouldn't be any rookies starting. That could very well change obviously.

Not that it really matters now, but who've they got plugged in at RCB?

[O.city]

Russel isnt there yet I don't think

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

His extension includes zero guaranteed money, zero signing bonus and is a Vet Min contract in which he won't be paid a cent unless he's on the 53.

As for the "early nod", I think they're giving him enough rope to hang himself.

Otherwise, the Chiefs wouldn't have invested a 5th in Hogan.

Exactly.

They aren't going to cut him without giving him one last shot at proving that he's indispensable. This happens all the time with guys on the fringe. They're going to give him his last, best shot to establish himself.

90% likely that he's cut but this is a smart staff. They're not going to cut him without giving him a chance to show that they shouldn't. Burying him on the depth chart and then cutting him would be a Pioli/Crennel move. This regime is smarter than that.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

FWIW, Nelson took the 'first team' reps today in team drills, according to Adam Teicher.

This would have been different though had Gaines been able to participate in those. It looks like if we suited up and played today though, there likely wouldn't be any rookies starting. That could very well change obviously.

Knows the system.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

They aren't going to cut him without giving him one last shot at proving that he's indispensable. This happens all the time with guys on the fringe. They're going to give him his last, best shot to establish himself.

90% likely that he's cut but this is a smart staff. They're not going to cut him without giving him a chance to show that they shouldn't. Burying him on the depth chart and then cutting him would be a Pioli/Crennel move. This regime is smarter than that.

I still like bray more than murray. Bray actually showed legitimate tools at Tennessee and even in his time here. Obviously he's got a bigger arm, but he was pretty good in and around the pocket.

But I'm guessing the 10 cent brain thing gets him in the end.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The point is they clearly like something they see and want to give him the chance to succeed. I'm not saying he's a shoe-in for a roster spot, but they certainly view him as having the inside edge.

There's absolutely no way you can take that away from OTAs.

It simply means its not a foregone conclusion. If anything I'd say it means that Murray has a better chance at the 53 man because they're pretty sure they know what they have in Murray and don't feel the need to rush him out there without pads/contact just to make sure he knows the playbook.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I still like bray more than murray. Bray actually showed legitimate tools at Tennessee and even in his time here. Obviously he's got a bigger arm, but he was pretty good in and around the pocket.

But I'm guessing the 10 cent brain thing gets him in the end.

His footwork will tell the tale.

His feet at Tennessee were just garbage so it kept him from being able to throw the ball where he wanted to twice in a row. He simply couldn't maintain the kind consistent mechanics that he needed to in order to make accurate throws.

He'd compensate for bad footwork, pick up a bad habit that worked, then 2 plays later his feet would do the right thing but his compensation would fire the ball wide or high or low. He spent his whole college career trying to throw to a strike zone that would essentially shift as he released. It's amazing to me that he managed to accomplish what little he did.

The 'legitimate tools' you speak of are really just one thing - he throws the ball really !@#$ing hard. His touch isn't great, his accuracy isn't great. He doesn't have 'plus arm talent' because that connotes more than just a strong arm. He simply has/had a cannon and little else. Apart from the inability to read defense, he simply didn't have the repeatability in his delivery that would allow him to succeed.

He's Ryan Mallett without the drug/alcohol problems. Eh...okay. He's worth sending out there with a better supporting cast to see if his feet are cooperating a little better or if he can run the offense, but I still don't expect much.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I still like bray more than murray. Bray actually showed legitimate tools at Tennessee and even in his time here. Obviously he's got a bigger arm, but he was pretty good in and around the pocket.

But I'm guessing the 10 cent brain thing gets him in the end.

The only thing Bray showed that Murray didn't was a rocket arm.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'm really excited to see what kind of front 4 groupings Sutton can create come this preseason. And of course by that I mean the season in general, but we'll get our first look come that home game against Seattle in August.

Once Houston is ready to roll, think about some of the multiple possible combos.

Assuming Dee Ford makes some progress, or perhaps even another guy behind him, the possible groupings are endless, and they are all filled with beasts.

Houston, Hali, Poe, Bailey, Howard, Jones, Ford.... should absolutely be the deepest pass rush in the NFL.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His footwork will tell the tale.

His feet at Tennessee were just garbage so it kept him from being able to throw the ball where he wanted to twice in a row. He simply couldn't maintain the kind consistent mechanics that he needed to in order to make accurate throws.

He'd compensate for bad footwork, pick up a bad habit that worked, then 2 plays later his feet would do the right thing but his compensation would fire the ball wide or high or low. He spent his whole college career trying to throw to a strike zone that would essentially shift as he released. It's amazing to me that he managed to accomplish what little he did.

The 'legitimate tools' you speak of are really just one thing - he throws the ball really !@#$ing hard. His touch isn't great, his accuracy isn't great. He doesn't have 'plus arm talent' because that connotes more than just a strong arm. He simply has/had a cannon and little else. Apart from the inability to read defense, he simply didn't have the repeatability in his delivery that would allow him to succeed.

He's Ryan Mallett without the drug/alcohol problems. Eh...okay. He's worth sending out there with a better supporting cast to see if his feet are cooperating a little better or if he can run the offense, but I still don't expect much.

He had good pocket presense at UT. Like you said, it didn't amount to much, but being coached by Derek ****ing Dooley can't be that helpful

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Houston, Hali, Poe, Bailey, Howard, Jones, Ford.... should absolutely be the deepest pass rush in the NFL.

It's pretty much an unparalleled collection of tools, no doubt.

Hali's unquestionably the least physically gifted player in that group and it's not even particularly close. Every other guy in that group can either point to freakish speed, freakish strength or some combination of the two that are virtually unheard of even among NFL athletes.

That's the kind of skill-set that either gets a coach paid or gets him fired. There's no middle ground. If you can't get that group to rape faces, you need to seek alternate employment.

[DaneMcCloud]

Ronald Leary, a guard whom the Cowboys gave a 2nd round tender, is requesting a trade.

Swap him for Knile Davis?