Draft "experts" , Do they know a damn thing?

[duncan_idaho]

Yeah, its several guys in collaboration. Their profiles are legit. And the scouting reports certainly track well (I used to edit Russ Lande, and I think this stuff is just as good/easier to read).

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I used to edit Russ Lande

How ****ing hard was that?

How many times did you tell him he was a ****ing idiot?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How ****ing hard was that?

How many times did you tell him he was a ****ing idiot?

It was almost as bad as trying to keep a website up-to-date on AP stories and write-throughs during the NCAA basketball tournament. Almost.

I actually liked reading the scouting stuff (it wasn't all from Lande). I learned a lot from that (and was fortunate enough to have a couple of the guys willing to answer questions, watch tape with me and give me pointers, etc.)

Russ is an old-school NFL guy. That's why he always rates guys on either line so highly. It's also why he LOVES QBs who look like Mike Glennon (and I don't mean goofy - I mean tall, cement-footed pocket passers).

If I can find his original write-up of Drew Bledsoe, I'll post it on here. I wasn't working there when he did it in 94, but it was still getting passed around 10 years later...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It was almost as bad as trying to keep a website up-to-date on AP stories and write-throughs during the NCAA basketball tournament. Almost.

I actually liked reading the scouting stuff (it wasn't all from Lande). I learned a lot from that (and was fortunate enough to have a couple of the guys willing to answer questions, watch tape with me and give me pointers, etc.)

Russ is an old-school NFL guy. That's why he always rates guys on either line so highly. It's also why he LOVES QBs who look like Mike Glennon (and I don't mean goofy - I mean tall, cement-footed pocket passers).

If I can find his original write-up of Drew Bledsoe, I'll post it on here. I wasn't working there when he did it in 94, but it was still getting passed around 10 years later...

That's awesome.

[whoman69]

I don't think the argument against them is totally fair, as accurate as it may be. Kiper tries to post himself as some great judge of talent. All their either of them really do is to try to guess where these players should be drafted. Kiper is more a self promoter who got himself a gig at a fledgling ESPN when they started covering the draft because he was the only draft wonk out there at the time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by whoman69

All their either of them really do is to try to guess where these players should be drafted.

And that's the most difficult part because teams often change their boards up until the last minute.

It's not like they routinely predict that fifth rounders will be first rounders or vice versa.

The thing that most hurts guys like Mayock, Kiper, etc. is that they don't have the same access to the players as the actual teams themselves, i.e., independent psych exams, medical info, aren't in the room during the interview process, etc.

[hometeam]

Originally Posted by whoman69

I don't think the argument against them is totally fair, as accurate as it may be. Kiper tries to post himself as some great judge of talent. All their either of them really do is to try to guess where these players should be drafted. Kiper is more a self promoter who got himself a gig at a fledgling ESPN when they started covering the draft because he was the only draft wonk out there at the time.

I'm not sure why. They tell people, and enjoy other people telling them, that they are draft experts.

Sooooo Kiper can suck it.

I would still like to see evidence of someone having a consistently high percentage of hits.

[philfree]

That's interesting stuff but can it be used to judge the production of each GM/team in the draft? Saying Kiper and McShay suck is fine but how do they compare to the actual guys making the picks?

[Molitoth]

Anyone who believes these guys should look at the hype Blaine Gabbert got and just laugh it off.

Blaine Gabbert was so incredibly over hyped. This is exactly what's happening with Mike Glennon.

[scho63]

This is a little outdated, year old, but it shows how many "can't miss" players selected in the first round tanked....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...history/page/1

[TribalElder]

I enjoy some of mayocks info especially his mock draft

[BlackHelicopters]

Mel Kiper has nice hair.

[bevischief]

I only listen to the ones on here.