Your Top 5

[jspchief]

Setting aside specific players, BPA philosophy, etc. what are the 5 positions that would most like to see addressed by the Chiefs in this draft?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

In both cases the new GM's came in with crap at QB. I guess you wanted them to draft and start a rookie qb instead of finding the best QB in free agency. I think most GM's would go for the pro instead of the college kid.

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

In both cases the new GM's came in with crap at QB. I guess you wanted them to draft and start a rookie qb instead of finding the best QB in free agency. I think most GM's would go for the pro instead of the college kid.

You are repeating yourself!

Yeah, the time to take advantage of the opportunity to groom and train a rookie QB is immediately, when the fans and ownership are still in love with you and the hire.
Two years from now, if this team isn't back to 10 and 6, the fans will be screaming for their jobs. If they don't pick a QB tonight, forget about it.

[The Franchise]

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[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

I thought your point was that ownership was preventing the Chiefs from drafting a quarterback.

They are.

[Messier]

QB is about as much of a need as CB. People are saying need because they don't like Alex Smith. That's fine, but it doesn't make it a need. Even if they draft one, he'll be a developmental QB, that's not need.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

My point was that I always have admired how the Hunt's stayed in the background and let their GMs run the team, vs. how Jones and Snyder got involved.

So, they stay in the background, but emerge once a year on draft day and demand no quarterbacks are drafted? That sounds odd. Probably not at all true.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Messier

QB is about as much of a need as CB. People are saying need because they don't like Alex Smith. That's fine, but it doesn't make it a need. Even if they draft one, he'll be a developmental QB, that's not need.

If you don't have a franchise QB it's the biggest need on your team. I don't care if you don't have a single starting caliber skill position player, DB, or pass rusher, the QB is the foundation that the rest of the team is built on.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Snyder and Jones are far too meddlesome. Hunt's problem isn't a laissez-faire approach, it's the organizational philosophy that treats the franchise as a business investment instead of a football team.

Clark didn't fire Pioli because of the team's record, he fired Pioli because it was affecting his bottom line. People didn't want to see a 2-14 team. Carl Peterson didn't stay around for 20 years because he was a good GM, he stayed around for 20 years because he knew the Kansas City market. He knew that if he dangled the carrot of mediocrity in front of Chiefs fans that they'd chase after it in perpetuity. The genius of this approach is that you can always stay good enough to avoid bottoming out, as you avoid the potential of a risky investment blowing up in your face. The foolishness of the approach is that it will never, ever win in the NFL, but that's not what the Hunts care about, at least it hasn't been in my lifetime.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

So, they stay in the background, but emerge once a year on draft day and demand no quarterbacks are drafted? That sounds odd. Probably not at all true.

Are you really this dense? Seriously? Do you have reading problems? You are trying to be funny, right?

You think he waits until draft day to tell him to get Alex Smith several months prior to the draft, because the Chiefs don't pick QBs in the first?

[Dr. Van Halen]

You know, Jenkins, that's not a bad point. I suppose, though, you also only draft a qb if he is a franchise qb?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you don't have a franchise QB it's the biggest need on your team. I don't care if you don't have a single starting caliber skill position player, DB, or pass rusher, the QB is the foundation that the rest of the team is built on.

Whose the franchise QB we can take?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

You know, Jenkins, that's not a bad point. I suppose, though, you also only draft a qb if he is a franchise qb?

Your reply is telling because it explains why Chiefs fans abhor drafting a QB. You draft one if you think he has the reasonable potential to become one, not because he's one right now. Chiefs fans think that you have to draft a ready-made QB. That is an exceedingly-rare occurrence. But it all comes back to the Chiefs, and their fans, being risk-averse.

"What if he doesn't work out?"

The same thing that happens when you get a retread. You fail. Draft one who does.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

You know, Jenkins, that's not a bad point. I suppose, though, you also only draft a qb if he is a franchise qb?

Originally Posted by Messier

Whose the franchise QB we can take?

I think they tattoo them as babies on their butts with a label that says "Franchise QB."
For some silly reason, none of them have been available at the Chiefs pick for the last 30 years, and none of them this year have that tattoo since the Chiefs are picking first.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Your reply is telling because it explains why Chiefs fans abhor drafting a QB. You draft one if you think he has the reasonable potential to become one, not because he's one right now. Chiefs fans think that you have to draft a ready-made QB. That is an exceedingly-rare occurrence. But it all comes back to the Chiefs, and their fans, being risk-averse.

"What if he doesn't work out?"

The same thing that happens when you get a retread. You fail. Draft one who does.

there's a difference between saying I want to draft this QB, but I'm scared. What if he doesn't work out, and, I think it's likely he won't become a franchise QB.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Are you really this dense? Seriously? Do you have reading problems? You are trying to be funny, right?

You think he waits until draft day to tell him to get Alex Smith several months prior to the draft, because the Chiefs don't pick QBs in the first?

HemiEd, you do realize that you said, "My point was that I always have admired how the Hunt's stayed in the background and let their GMs run the team," then loudly complained that the Hunts control their GM's.

That was your point. Hunts don't interfere, except for when they interfere.

So, yes, I was trying to be funny. I was mocking your point that the Hunts don't interfere and do interfere.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Messier

there's a difference between saying I want to draft this QB, but I'm scared. What if he doesn't work out, and, I think it's likely he won't become a franchise QB.

There is. But it stops being a difference after 30 straight years of the same script. If anomalous behaviors keep happening, you may need to redefine your parameters.